10/20 River Decision with Broadway

[dcb777]

I agree with Surfdoc that calling the 4bet seems a bit of a spew vs a reasonable opponent. You must know your opponent pretty well to fold to his 4 bet though.

[Moemar]

My mistake, and i agree. No 5-betting here either [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[surfdoc]

JJH3984,

what happened here?

[JJH3984]

I threebet intending to fold to a fourball. He called and showed AK so MHIG. I felt good about it at the time, but now I think he may have won Sklanskey $$$$ off me.

He really should have AcQc a lot the way the hand played out.

[Joe Tall]

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So Joe, reading your last three posts:

You believe the correct play is to 3-bet the river and fold to a 4 bet, yes?

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Yes. I'm fairly sure every live 4-bet I've paid off on the river HU has been a loser. Like 99%, maybe once, someone misread their hand. (not counting chop hands obv)

[StrictlyStrategy]

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if you 3 bang and get 4 bet, although folding might be immediately +EV, it probably makes you look like an idiot and one of two things will happen

1) people will take shots at you.

2) even if they dont, you will think people are always taking shots at you and become a call station.


keep that in mind.

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Once again this is total nonsense. This isn't the stars 200/400. If someone wants to exploit me by bluff 4 betting rivers then by all means exploit away and see how bad you get your ass handed to you.

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I agree with this. People always talk about this stuff like all of the sudden all the retarded fish who are open limping 93s OTB are gonna start bluff-3betting, or in this case capping big streets in 3b pots.

[Mr Rick]

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So Joe, reading your last three posts:

You believe the correct play is to 3-bet the river and fold to a 4 bet, yes?

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Yes. I'm fairly sure every live 4-bet I've paid off on the river HU has been a loser. Like 99%, maybe once, someone misread their hand. (not counting chop hands obv)

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The only times I have been paid off in 10/20 live when my opponent 4-bet was when I had the nuts (straights) and they didn't. In one case it was a woman who overplayed her 2nd nut straight thinking my 3-bet was a set. In the other case it was a guy who was blind in one eye and his vision wasn't much better in the other. He thought he had the nuts but misread his hand.

While I think it is extremely likely that a 4-bet has us beat here (either AQs or ATs clubs), and is virtually never a bluff, I would call it anyway. Villain could have a set of Aces (or possibly Kings) and think we have a set too. He might have missed or dismissed the backdoor flush based on the way we played the hand so far.

[JJH3984]

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While I think it is extremely likely that a 4-bet has us beat here (either AQs or ATs clubs), and is virtually never a bluff, I would call it anyway. Villain could have a set of Aces (or possibly Kings) and think we have a set too. He might have missed or dismissed the backdoor flush based on the way we played the hand so far.

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Well... an asteroid could also hit the earth in the next thousend years, destroying all life on the planet, but I'd assign the odds as less than 1 out of 25