New PokerStars Data Policy

[ianisakson]

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I'd love a world where I could e-mail PT and say "xxxxxxxxx is on PS/FT/Whatever and is telling everyone at the table their PFR% and how much they've lost in the last 30 days and here's the chat. Then 30 minutes later, boom, his PAHUD goes blank and his PT clears.

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This would be fun. Infact, if it was just "if you berate the fish, you lose your pahud serial", I'd love it. Sadly, I doubt it makes much business sense for the pahud guys...

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I got berated yesterday by a fish who was obviously running PT and made fun of me for being a "pro" and down a buyin over 200 hands. I cried myself to sleep later that night.

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omg, you dropped a buyin. To think you call yourself a pro, it's sad really.

[Merek007]

All poker sites make money on rake
Happy safe customers play more
Knowing you are a loser may make you play less.
You wife/girlfriend/opponent knowing you lose often may make you play less.
The less you play the smaller the rake.

Also remember how the outside world sees online gambling. They see cheats, arrest stories about company owners, companiies in 3rd world countries, sites that Visa, Mastercand and your bank will not send money to. You can buy the sickest porn, illegal weapons and or a Nigerian baby easier than you can transfer money to a Poker site.
Stars sees the future safety and growth of Poker being dependent on people feeling thier money is safe
People who join a poker site are looking to win or lose money in a fair friendly poker game. Not to a poker site that closes and keeps the money, not to bots, not to someone with a "unfair" advantage because they have S/W or inside info that make it impossible for the casual player to win. Casual players don't mind losing if they got the entertainment they paid for. If they feel it is unfair or unfriendly they will not come back. Stars is trying make it friendlyer and appear fairer... Don't [censored] on them for trying.

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You can buy the sickest porn, illegal weapons and or a Nigerian baby easier than you can transfer money to a Poker site.

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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet.

[LeifSteinar]

Any updates?

[ChicagoRy]

So why can't they just make casual and losing players more aware of datamining sites like Sharkscope and PokerDB, so that they can opt out if they truly want to?

Under this policy, a majority of people won't care one way or another, meaning they will not do anything to allow or disallow their stats from being seen. Under this new policy that means we cannot see their stats, correct?

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Under this policy, it means you won't be able to view their ROI, net profit, etc unless they opt in. But you will be able to see things like their cashes unless they actively opt out.

[ChicagoRy]

So basically if Sharkscope follows this policy they are useless?

It doesn't do anything for me to see "total cashes" in husngs.

I suppose this isn't as bad for MTTs where if a player has won several tourneys, regardless of his net profit, you know he is different from a player who has made one FT.

[ChicagoRy]

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Under this policy, it means you won't be able to view their ROI, net profit, etc unless they opt in. But you will be able to see things like their cashes unless they actively opt out.

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I still don't see why they can't just create a "do not allow stats to be published by 3rd party websites" type button similar to hide from search function. You could even prompt new players with a pop up box that says "some websites may post statistics such as your profit in the games you play. By clicking 'yes, block these stats' pokerstars will do everything they can to block your stats from showing up on these sites. By clicking 'no, display my stats' your stats will be allowed to be displayed on these sites."

Instead you can't see the stats that make these services valuable unless the person sends some pennies to whatever username each stat website uses.

This is just a creative way for Pokerstars to attempt to end services like Sharkscope from operating on their pokersite.

While "technically" still able to display any player's stats if they opt in, realistically the system being used to let players opt in or display their stats is fairly worthless.

I hope Sharkscope continues to stay up and running, allowing users to block themselves is all that is needed. If a fish is sitting at a table and is berated by players that make fun of his sharkscope he can just go to the website and block himself. With a little more awareness to the mainstream player made possible by Pokerstars, most players would know what Sharkscope is. The biggest rake generators do right now anyways.

[StarTracker]

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If a fish is sitting at a table and is berated by players that make fun of his sharkscope he can just go to the website and block himself.

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The money transfer from the Player to the ranking site not only establishes a contract between PS and the site as far as honoring the wishes of the 'fish', it also allows the site to confirm the username of the person wishing to be blocked. The transaction allows the site to make sure someone is blocking his own stats and not someone elses.

StarTracker plans to comply with these new rules.

The berating the fish is unfortunate, however I think some people just feel uncomfortable with their profitability numbers out there. Some people don't want their spouse or parents checking on them and seeing actual $ amounts can lead to problems.

[BradleyT]

If you walked around a B&M casino with a big neon sign that displayed lifetime losses for gamblers and you held it over their heads while they were playing blackjack or slots do you think they would continue playing?

Sites like sharkscope have a large psychological impact on the game. Someone could easily deposit $200/week and think nothing of being down for a year - don't ask/don't tell/don't pay attention. But you get someone at the table saying, "ZOMG you've lost $10,000 at $20 SnGs you're a big retarded fish" and they think to themselves, wow I could have bought a Kia.