40-80 AQ hand

[AragornX151]

Curious to hear thoughts on all streets, and see how most of you guys would play it.

Soft 40-80 game at Foxwoods this weekend. New to table, but I could already tell it wasn't a tough crowd. A few decent players at best. I'm dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the sb. Three limpers, I complete, bb checks.

Flop Q95, two hearts. I check, a MP guy bets, CO raises, I make it 120, two folds, they both call.

Turn 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I lead.

Thoughts? Standard?

[jba]

I think you should definitely raise pf.

otherwise I play it the same. but your hand is overepped now so you need to be prepared to fold to any further aggression, and either of these guys could have the hearts. but if they both call I'd just keep betting.

which day was this? I was playing on sunday.

[Hielko]

Raise preflop and I think I would just bet the flop, but a c/raise or check/3bet is also fine.

[AragornX151]

This is why I posted the hand; was curious to see if anyone would say raise pre. I think raising preflop is a HORRIBLE play here. You bloat the pot OOP with a poor multi-way hand that's guaranteed to be against four opponents. Even on a flop like this, if you raise pre and bet out, someone with K9s is getting odds to call, whereas they're not otherwise. Additionally, if the flop missed me, it was an easy c/f.

AQs is a better raise here, since it plays well multi-way. I'd mix it up with that hand, but raise AQo in that spot maybe 1% of the time at most. You make it so much easier for your opponents to play well if you raise here.

I was definitely planning to fold to a turn raise. The players in that hand didn't strike me as creative enough to raise turn with a hand I'm beating.

And this was Sunday; I started the game and played until it broke 4-5 hours later, I think, around 7. I was the guy with the Lord of the Rings card protector if you were there then.

[The DaveR]

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This is why I posted the hand; was curious to see if anyone would say raise pre. I think raising preflop is a HORRIBLE play here. You bloat the pot OOP with a poor multi-way hand that's guaranteed to be against four opponents. Even on a flop like this, if you raise pre and bet out, someone with K9s is getting odds to call, whereas they're not otherwise. Additionally, if the flop missed me, it was an easy c/f. AQs is a better raise here, since it plays well multi-way. I'd mix it up with that hand, but raise AQo in that spot maybe 1% of the time at most.

I was definitely planning to fold to a turn raise. The players in that hand didn't strike me as creative enough to raise turn with a hand I'm beating.

And this was Sunday; I started the game and played until it broke 4-5 hours later, I think, around 7. I was the guy with the Lord of the Rings card protector if you were there then.

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lol

[AragornX151]

Let's hear, Dave. I assume you think it's an auto-raise, but two big cards aren't always "WOW, MUST BUMP." Let's hear why you think AQo should always be raised there.

[AragornX151]

BTW, I should add that the chances of me taking down a pot there when I missed the flop are practically nil. I hadn't been there long when this hand came up but several of the people in had already announced themselves as weak fish.

[WMB]

i agree with your line and thought process Aragorn.

[AragornX151]

One more add: with one limper, I'm always raising and with two, I'm sometimes raising. With three+, it's too many for me to want to bloat the pot with that kind of hand there.

[The DaveR]

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Let's hear, Dave. I assume you think it's an auto-raise, but two big cards aren't always "WOW, MUST BUMP." Let's hear why you think AQo should always be raised there.

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Here and here.