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Old 07-02-2007, 08:46 AM
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Default 100: 2pair faces river push

villain is a 19/6/3 regular

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($19)
Hero ($117.05)
BB ($155)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, BB calls $16.

River: ($52) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $129</font>, Hero ?

only $56 more to call
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Old 07-02-2007, 09:13 AM
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Default Re: 100: 2pair faces river push

Your hand has become a bluff catcher. I'm a calling station but I'm folding here. Its possible hes doing this with busted diamonds. But I don't think you can call here without a read. He could very well have something like X [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I would typically check this river to induce a bluff.
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Old 07-02-2007, 09:17 AM
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Default Re: 100: 2pair faces river push

It looks like you are beat, but you are getting 56:160 ish to call, so need to win about 1 in 4 to break even.

The more i look at it, the more i find it hard to put him on a hand with an 8 in it that hasn't raised the flop or turn. This is an excellent river to bluff on as you have to lay down a lot of strong Aces here.

I think i call, i may see J10 here but a lot of the two pair hands on the flop or turn probably raise you so hes either got nothing or an 8/J10.
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:18 AM
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Default Re: 100: 2pair faces river push

do most people feel check/calling river is a better line than bet/folding?
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:32 AM
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Default Re: 100: 2pair faces river push

i think you gotta call because of odds and a good river to bluff on JT would be one of the hands that would have this same line i guess
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:33 AM
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Default Re: 100: 2pair faces river push

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do most people feel check/calling river is a better line than bet/folding?

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check calling is a good way to induce a bluf from busted Flush draw but i dont mind bet/calling bet/folding either
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: 100: 2pair faces river push

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do most people feel check/calling river is a better line than bet/folding?

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no, and i probably wouldn't fold anyways. unless villain is a good player, he could be overvaluing a bunch of hands...AK/AQ, etc.

this is 3-handed. you're going to have increased variance, but you have a really strong hand here.

maybe he even thinks you're chopping with him or something stupid.
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: 100: 2pair faces river push

i am still having trouble with this hand:

1) this is not three handed, this is 9 handed, i do not why the converter did this.

2) the reason i bet instead of checked is because i wanted value from AK/AJ. i did not think past that much at the time. i feel like in Ace high flops that villain has an ace far more than he has a draw.

3) his all in troubles me. i really do not see a semi-decent player pushing with AK here. that and a busted draw is really all we beat because i doubt anyone would push AJ. also, with the likely possibility of Xd 8d, is this really a call?
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: 100: 2pair faces river push

3) (cont.) what about AQ?
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: 100: 2pair faces river push

I bet a bit more on the river, the half pot bet looks quite weak. Villan isnt limping into you with AK, AQ.
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