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[Yossarian147]

To me this is a straightforward free card play. We're getting 14-1 to draw to 2pr, trips, or a backdoor straight with position. Raising seems clear. At the magnificent HG someone probably snuck in there with a weak jack, and catching something on the turn or riv is about your only chance I think.

As played check the river.

[Fnord]

Uhhh.... so many turn cards will be so ugly. Anyway, it's silly to think Jx or better is out if the table action bets and is just called on two streets. This is exactly the kind of spot where a weak hand ends up scooping a big pot on the river after two blanks drop.

[Hyperrrprank]

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Uhhh.... so many turn cards will be so ugly. Anyway, it's silly to think Jx or better is out if the table action bets and is just called on two streets. This is exactly the kind of spot where a weak hand ends up scooping a big pot on the river after two blanks drop.

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This is so wrong it hurts. OP raised in late position after a bunch of limpers. SB bet out on the flop into 4 people, including the preflop raiser. This represents top pair or better a large portion of the time.

Sure, SB could have middle pair with backdoor draws or an OESD that they are playing strongly, but statistically fewer players bet here with those. It is absolutely not likely that the callers have a J, but that doesn't mean the SB doesn't.

[bernie]

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Bernie,

Given the read, my guess is that he's showing down any pair and could have any 1 pair hand here. Probably likes to gamble it up on early/cheap streets and takes extra bets on big streets seriously, but tends to just showdown his crap when it has a 1 in 100 shot of winning.



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Except nothing was said about his aggression standards postflop.


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That said, no way we can fold here, so I'm putting in an extra bet somewhere to give me an extra shot at winning the pot and put a little doubt in the heads of my opponents because I'm the table squeezer. Given the flop action, I think the turn is the spot to do it. It won't happen often, but I think we get someone else to fold a hand as strong as Jx often enough to have value.

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I kind of agree. I like the turn bet to get out overcards. Then, if needed, take the free showdown. The hand really isn't strong enough to check this turn through against this many players. HU I might see a check.

I don't see Jx folding here. Not with this crowd. They don't play Jx just to hit top pair and fold.

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[Hyperrrprank]

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Bernie,

Given the read, my guess is that he's showing down any pair and could have any 1 pair hand here. Probably likes to gamble it up on early/cheap streets and takes extra bets on big streets seriously, but tends to just showdown his crap when it has a 1 in 100 shot of winning.



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Except nothing was said about his aggression standards postflop.


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That said, no way we can fold here, so I'm putting in an extra bet somewhere to give me an extra shot at winning the pot and put a little doubt in the heads of my opponents because I'm the table squeezer. Given the flop action, I think the turn is the spot to do it. It won't happen often, but I think we get someone else to fold a hand as strong as Jx often enough to have value.

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I kind of agree. I like the turn bet to get out overcards. Then, if needed, take the free showdown. The hand really isn't strong enough to check this turn through against this many players. HU I might see a check.

I don't see Jx folding here. Not with this crowd. They don't play Jx just to hit top pair and fold.

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The quotes you mention above are from Fnord, not Frond. Frond never said anything about SB other than they showed down a few marginal hands.

For the record, I kinda like the turn bet even though I'm pretty sure we're behind. I don't think I could stomach giving a free card here and then losing if the river gave me two pair or a set.

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Bernie,

Given the read, my guess is that he's showing down any pair and could have any 1 pair hand here. Probably likes to gamble it up on early/cheap streets and takes extra bets on big streets seriously, but tends to just showdown his crap when it has a 1 in 100 shot of winning.



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Except nothing was said about his aggression standards postflop.


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That said, no way we can fold here, so I'm putting in an extra bet somewhere to give me an extra shot at winning the pot and put a little doubt in the heads of my opponents because I'm the table squeezer. Given the flop action, I think the turn is the spot to do it. It won't happen often, but I think we get someone else to fold a hand as strong as Jx often enough to have value.

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I kind of agree. I like the turn bet to get out overcards. Then, if needed, take the free showdown. The hand really isn't strong enough to check this turn through against this many players. HU I might see a check.

I don't see Jx folding here. Not with this crowd. They don't play Jx just to hit top pair and fold.

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The quotes you mention above are from Fnord, not Frond. Frond never said anything about SB other than they showed down a few marginal hands.



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I know.

Which is why I was asking where he got the player description from. I was wondering where his read for postflop aggression came from.

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[TheCount212]

Clearly she's looking for a free showdown, but will likely call you down if you bet. Even if she's gaming you, I'm not sure it's worth betting here. Take the free showdown offered.

[Fnord]

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One nice but maniacal guy is raising and 3 betting blind PF.

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Barring more information, I'm not taking a flop bet from this guy very seriously.

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Barring more information, I'm not taking a flop bet from this guy very seriously.

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what about when you figure out that not who we're talking about?

[Fnord]

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Barring more information, I'm not taking a flop bet from this guy very seriously.

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what about when you figure out that not who we're talking about?

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Opps.