Value bet or not?

hoppscot22 · #1 10-18-2007, 08:59 PM

Hand #1

Villain is Payformyaudis5

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (5.5 SB) [5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) [5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (10.25 BB) [5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
BB Checks, ...

Hand #2

Villain is acmak10

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: (5.5 SB) [5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) [5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (5.75 BB) [5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
SB Checks, ...

joop · #2 10-18-2007, 09:11 PM

Got any stats/reads on these guys? I don't play on Stars.

vmacosta · #3 10-18-2007, 09:14 PM

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hoppscot22 · #4 10-18-2007, 09:26 PM

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well i dont play with HUD... but payformyaudi is pretty aggressive winning type. (37/28/1.9 over 300 hands only)

acmak10 is more passive, calling stationy imo. (50/25/1)

HOWMANY · #5 10-18-2007, 09:30 PM

Hand 2 looks like an easy bet and hand 1 looks like an easy don't raise the turn because I think he should 3bet you with anything he c/r the flop with.

Tryptamean · #6 10-18-2007, 10:03 PM

I don't raise the turn in hand 1. As played I bet both of these rivers, but its somewhat thin...

DeathDonkey · #7 10-19-2007, 03:11 AM

Agree with both HOWMANY and Tryptamean.

-DeathDonkey

mute · #8 10-19-2007, 08:16 AM

Hand 1: I don't see us being ahead >50% when he calls (and I wouldn't raise the turn here either).

Hand 2: Bet. Usually we would have heard from a queen or a ten by now.

hoppscot22 · #9 10-19-2007, 08:31 AM

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I don't raise the turn in hand 1. As played I bet both of these rivers, but its somewhat thin...

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if you dont raise the turn because you dont think you are winning that often then why would you value bet the river?

Tryptamean · #10 10-19-2007, 11:40 AM

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I don't raise the turn in hand 1. As played I bet both of these rivers, but its somewhat thin...

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if you dont raise the turn because you dont think you are winning that often then why would you value bet the river?

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If I raised the turn and he just calls, there are still plenty of hands in his range that will pay off, and you just sucked out on 54.

However, the advantages to calling the turn is, if I'm behind, I have to fold to his 3bet and give up my equity to suck out. It will be rare, but sometimes he will 3bet semi bluff, I'd rather not give hmi that opportunity if he's unknown. Lastly, a lot of players will fire the river anyway if they are semi-bluffing with 6x and have no showdown value.