Value bet or not?

[admiralfluff]

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i dunno, once people call the turn in these online higher stakes games, they are rarely folding the river nowadays

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[censored], you're right. I didn't think about that. He's definitely looking you up with his 96s.

[MarkD]

Ok. I really don't get hand 1 at all. Nearly everyone is saying to value bet this and I don't understand. I also don't understand why people are saying that villian should 3-bet the turn with all of the hands he should C/R the flop with. I must be missing something there as well because if I had A7 I would C/R the flop but would not 3-bet the turn and would consider 3-betting the turn to be a fair bit spewy. Am I crazy here?

I also think that joker122's range looks pretty close and is a clear check behind.

Didn't you raise the turn mainly as a free showdown raise? That's the only reason it makes sense to me to do it.

[hoppscot22]

i raised the turn because i think i have the best hand a good majority of the time on the turn.

i feel like villain is c/r almost any hand taht contains a 4, 5, 3, 6 or 8 in his hand.

i dunno i kinda suck

[Dave Mac]

hand 1 bet and expect to win about 100% of the time.

hand 2 depends on flow i think it is a bet as i cannot see what he has that would beat you that would not raise at some point but i also cannot give him anyhting cept like 33-77.
dave

[celiholic]

hand 1 is close imo, what are you trying to get value at ? a4, 56s, 58s, 45s ? you can't really beat much after he call your turn raise and river bet. if you called turn and checked to, its a bet 100% of the time. beside, you got 2 bet againts a drawing hand on the turn already. the bet itself probably -ev, but it will increase ur spewage image so it maybe 0ev move if it gets to showdown

definitely a vb for hand 2, cos i expect a cr on flop if he has a 10

[MrEngenic]

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hand 1 bet and expect to win about 100% of the time.


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hand 1 I check and expect to win maybe 30% of the time. But I don't raise turn without read either.

[bmorganonap]

value betting in both spots for me.

[PokerBob]

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Hand 2 looks like an easy bet and hand 1 looks like an easy don't raise the turn because I think he should 3bet you with anything he c/r the flop with.



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?? I don't know what you guys are talking about here. Why should villain be 3betting this turn at all often?

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He shouldn't ever be.

[PokerBob]

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Put yourself in his shoes and think about ALL the hands you are checkraising against me that call a turn raise and a river bet. i feel like it is much wider the you are offering in analysis thus far.

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I think you're missing an important part of the thought process.

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i dunno, once people call the turn in these online higher stakes games, they are rarely folding the river nowadays

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yeah, but you don't beat anything that calls.

[Solid_p]

Bet 'em both.