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#51
08-30-2007, 06:34 AM
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Re: Sequels make us forget how great the originals were
Umm... RockyIV > or = to Rocky....
Also, Batman Begins has revitalized the caped crusader again to a level that's easily as good as the original Batman film. It's nowhere near the level of quality of the original texts, but it's starting to improve. I like 'em more. Ditto for Star Trek movies. Do those count? 
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#52
08-30-2007, 08:00 AM
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Re: Sequels make us forget how great the originals were
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[ QUOTE ] What I'm saying is that the whole movie is much more of an introduction than a complete story. What really happens in the movie? Neo finds out who he is. The two sequels are much more plot-driven. [/ QUOTE ] By that standard, the Godfather didn't have a story--it was just Michael finding out who he is. [/ QUOTE ] OK, maybe I'm not explaining myself well. But The Godfather is all plot. The plot is so intricate that it takes a few viewings to get it. The Matrix has no plot. The entire movie could be summed up in one paragraph.
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#53
08-30-2007, 09:26 AM
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Umm... RockyIV > or = to Rocky.... [/ QUOTE ] The original won Best Picture. Rocky IV wasn't even considered for nomination, for good reason. It was entertaining, and you may personally enjoy it more, but to say it is a film equal to or greater than the original is nonsense.
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#54
08-30-2007, 10:45 AM
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It is news to me there is a sequel to Chinatown. I saw that for the first time last year and, truth be told, I didn't think it was all that amazing (not like I had heard). I'm guessing that is standard though for people seeing it first time around this time.
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#55
08-30-2007, 01:06 PM
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A Seinfeld reference is going to get me temp-banned? [/ QUOTE ] Seinfeld references, along with inline horse porn, recently became bannable offenses site-wide. So, yes.
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#56
08-30-2007, 01:35 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Oh, and I like Romero's zombie flick follow up where everyone was in the shopping center better than the original -- think that was Day of the Dead. [/ QUOTE ] Dawn of the Dead. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks.
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#57
08-30-2007, 03:27 PM
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Re: Sequels make us forget how great the originals were
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[ QUOTE ] A Seinfeld reference is going to get me temp-banned? [/ QUOTE ] Seinfeld references, along with inline horse porn, recently became bannable offenses site-wide. So, yes. [/ QUOTE ] No soup for me.
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#58
08-31-2007, 04:14 AM
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Re: Sequels make us forget how great the originals were
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[ QUOTE ] Most people love all the Rocky's (barring part V). Not that they think it's a cinematic masterpiece, but it's great entertainment. As my friend Troy always says, "You can't have a bad night out when you've just been watching Rocky IV!" Maybe a little too inside. But if someone had never seen the Rocky series I can think of worse things to waste a day on than run through the whole series. Just my two cents. [/ QUOTE ] The Rocky series hits a nerve with me. It doesn't even have to do with the merits of the sequels. It's the mere fact that they exist. Rocky was a movie about the American dream, written in the bicentennial year. Rocky wasn't meant to be an undiscovered great like the rest of the movies would have you believe. He was supposed to be a aging club boxer, a slow bruiser, somewhat talented but who had never lived up to what limited potential he had. In Rocky I, his goal was not to beat the world champion, because how could some nobody from nowhere hope to do that? His dream was to make it through 15 rounds with the best fighter in the world, and still be on his feet. So he worked and he worked and he worked, and he did it. He didn't win, he couldn't win, but he made it through 15 rounds and for one day in his life, he stood toe to toe with the best. [/ QUOTE ] Yea I was trying to say this exact thing a bunch of posts ago, but you said it better. If you haven't seen Balboa out of disgust, see it. It brings the series back to its proper roots.
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#59
08-31-2007, 04:20 AM
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Re: Sequels make us forget how great the originals were
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[ QUOTE ] Rocky was a movie about the American dream, written in the bicentennial year. Rocky wasn't meant to be an undiscovered great like the rest of the movies would have you believe. He was supposed to be a aging club boxer, a slow bruiser, somewhat talented but who had never lived up to what limited potential he had. [/ QUOTE ] Same thing with the Rambo series. Everyone thinks of a juiced up Rambo flipping and running around mowing down 80 baddies without being hit by a myriad of bullets. But the first in the series, First Blood, was more drama than action, about a troubled Vietnam vet returning to the states and having difficulties fitting back in, while shedding light on the way in which war heros were treated after the war. And he was supposed to die at the end, as he does in the book, but it was change, and all hell broke loose in the sequels. [/ QUOTE ] A few months ago I watched the trailer for John Rambo (IV) and was really impressed, even though I'd never seen a Rambo movie before. I promptly rented First Blood and had some problems with it. I doubt I'll like II and III much better when I watch them, but IV seriously looks like it could be quite good. Similar vibe to Rocky Balboa - way over-the-hill fighter/soldier is drawn back for one final round. The reason for him to go shooting up people again after 25 years seems plausible, and as he puts it, "when you're pushed...killing's as easy as breathing."
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