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Old 10-15-2007, 09:45 AM
kroeliewoelie kroeliewoelie is offline
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Default Re: [20NL] - AJ UTG, not cbeting is my mistake?

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I continuation bet in this spot, I would rather take the free card on the turn. Most likely your CB will be 3/4 pot or so, and if you check this flop, villans will lead more on the turn than your CB would have been.

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I am puzzled by your response. It sounds like you feel that you have to put money in this pot postflop. I don't think you have a lot of fold equity (you overestimate it IMO) and you don't have a lot of pot equity, so putting NO money in on either the flop or the turn (unless it's one of the 3 good queens) is better.
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:49 AM
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Its not just the T and K. Its also flush and straight draws. This guy calls on a gutshot.

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Your hand beats a flushdraw and a gutshot, you want these hands to call.
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:55 AM
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Default Re: [20NL] - AJ UTG, not cbeting is my mistake?

What is our turn action, if we do not improve and villain bets?
What do we do, if we hit our J?
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Old 10-15-2007, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: [20NL] - AJ UTG, not cbeting is my mistake?

Fold, and when improved we lead or raise his bet. Am I correct?
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: [20NL] - AJ UTG, not cbeting is my mistake?

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I continuation bet in this spot, I would rather take the free card on the turn. Most likely your CB will be 3/4 pot or so, and if you check this flop, villans will lead more on the turn than your CB would have been.

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I am puzzled by your response. It sounds like you feel that you have to put money in this pot postflop. I don't think you have a lot of fold equity (you overestimate it IMO) and you don't have a lot of pot equity, so putting NO money in on either the flop or the turn (unless it's one of the 3 good queens) is better.

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There is not a problem continuation betting in this spot. You are heads up and have position. Keep pounding on your villan, especially someone that is aggressive and liable to over play a hand. If this villan gets frisky with you, you can let it go this time. You will get action from him on hands when you hit in the future. It costs villan alot to make a play at you, and if he starts to feel he can make plays at you lighter, so be it.

I also didnt mention anything about fold equity. Just because the villan floats alot and possibly check raises alot does not mean that you cant CB against him. This particular board will have a higher success rate than lower/mid cards due to 2 broadway cards on this flop, which can hit your hand range pretty hard. IMO, your better off CB'ing this board rather than a middle range card board. If you check, you basically are giving up the hand, and flush cards can hit which would kill your value, or make it hard to extract value if you hit your gutshot/top pair/or two pair by the river.

I am not checking and giving up on this hand when you still can have the best hand, you have a draw to a better hand, and you have position. I am surprised people dont CB here.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: [20NL] - AJ UTG, not cbeting is my mistake?

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calls cbet 40%, raises 30%. that what my hud says.

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Good lord. I'm assuming this is a solid read? If so you probably have no business raising AJs UTG. If you've got that kind of maniac you don't want to be playing speculative and easily dominated hands -- you want a hand where you'll know for certain where you are on the flop. A hand like AKo will hit TPTK about 1/3rd of the time, and with that you'll be happy to go to war. With AJs you're going to flop TP3K or TPTK with scare cards or even an underpair, and your war could be frightening.

There's no sin in open-limping if the table conditions are right. Against this guy I'm probably going to want to see many speculative hands but I'm going to be folding the vast majority of them on the flop. When I connect, I'm going to extract mucho value from this guy.
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Old 10-15-2007, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: [20NL] - AJ UTG, not cbeting is my mistake?

Hmm Pokey so considering Your last sentences:
a) I shouldn't even play that against a maniac
b) No hit - no cbet here
right?
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Old 10-15-2007, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: [20NL] - AJ UTG, not cbeting is my mistake?

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Its not just the T and K. Its also flush and straight draws. This guy calls on a gutshot.

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Your hand beats a flushdraw and a gutshot, you want these hands to call.

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Think again.
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Old 10-15-2007, 07:42 PM
iRunBad123 iRunBad123 is offline
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Default Re: [20NL] - AJ UTG, not cbeting is my mistake?

ya i would c bet. id c bet 75% of the time
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Old 10-15-2007, 08:34 PM
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Default Re: [20NL] - AJ UTG, not cbeting is my mistake?

This thread belongs to Corsakh.
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