Weak Hand in a Large Pot

[xJames2112]

*Grunch*

I would check raise this flop all day and all night. You must improve your chances of winning this big pot and calling isn't going to do that. Forcing weak draws to fold and buying outs is crucial here. This hand sort of reminds me of an example in SSH page 96-97(minus that bad preflop call). I would have check raised the turn however leading the turn isn't bad either.

[Buckmulligan]

The flop is close. Raising has its merits, as it probably increases our equity some in a growing pot, but there are just too many strong draws and better hands, IMO, that aren't folding. I think calling is right.

Turn looks alright.

With the overlay, I also like bet/call on the river.

[BogusRogus]

** Non Grunch **

I have to agree with the C/R flop. I think this is a very very important concept. I have pretty much made it a rule for me to raise or fold (except in rare circumstances) to a bettor opening to my immediate right. With this large pot, you have the only advantage of being in early position (the check raise) use it...

Make them call two bets cold to play on.

[DrModern]

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I have pretty much made it a rule for me to raise or fold (except in rare circumstances) to a bettor opening to my immediate right.

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zomg this is terrible

[Aaron W.]

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The flop is close. Raising has its merits, as it probably increases our equity some in a growing pot, but there are just too many strong draws and better hands, IMO, that aren't folding. I think calling is right.

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What "strong draws" are there? QT has the OESD and ... ?

[Steve00007]

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I have pretty much made it a rule for me to raise or fold (except in rare circumstances) to a bettor opening to my immediate right.

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zomg this is terrible

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If you're so convinced that this is terrible, could you at least tell us why?

[Buckmulligan]

aaron-

Ya, not strong draws. Just hands that aren't going to fold. My point is that we have a really weak hand here with a board like this, I don't expect to get this heads up versus the aggressor very often.

[DrModern]

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I have pretty much made it a rule for me to raise or fold (except in rare circumstances) to a bettor opening to my immediate right.

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zomg this is terrible

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If you're so convinced that this is terrible, could you at least tell us why?

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This is essentially a "fit-or-fold" argument, and it simply isn't correct. There are tons of cases where you want to be "just" calling when there is a bet to your right. Playing fit-or-fold is going to cause you to miss out on a lot of profitable opportunities. For instance, say you hold a low-card flush draw on the flop against 3 players. You check, and it's checked around to an LP player who bets. Is your best option here always "raise or fold?" No.

[hizo]

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I have pretty much made it a rule for me to raise or fold (except in rare circumstances) to a bettor opening to my immediate right.

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zomg this is terrible

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i'm not up to date with modern internet parlance. wtf does "zomg" mean? my guesses so far are zhit oh my god and zheesh oh my god.

[DrModern]

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i'm not up to date with modern internet parlance. wtf does "zomg" mean? my guesses so far are zhit oh my god and zheesh oh my god.

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The z is meaningless. It's one of those that have a typo as their origin, like how pwn is a typo of own. zomg comes from attempting to type "omg" in captials but hitting the z key instead of shift.