Funny river spot with 66, NL50

[kaz2107]

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This is not a funny river spot at all.

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Why

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I would lead the turn

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Why

[/ QUOTE ]i would rather c/c turn and c/f river then leading turn. unless u have seen him floating u too much betting the turn is rather useless. but that being said calling the river bet is rather spewey. if he didnt pot it i would consider it much more profitable. but i cant see him out right bluffing this river 50% of the time. that just seems like a stretch for an unknown

[matrix]

I call a half pot - up to about 2/3 river bet here I think - but not full pot unless I has a note saying "bets full pot on river when bluffing" or something like that.

He just isn't bluffing often enough to make it profitable I think - he's VBing a T oddly or has Q4dd or QT or Qx more than half the time I'd guess, even tho his line does look bluffy.

[munkey]

two overcards to our handa nd vs small pps we beat 22 and 55
no direct busted draws except kj and heart turn fdraw picked up. You played it like you don't have a queen so I expect he knows he's ahead and I fold.

i'm not sure what I'll do on the turn whether c/c or c/f or bet i think I may just fold 80% or c/call or bet occassioanlly there TBH being OOP 3way.

[maSkraP]

i usually fold these low pockets on the turn. generally, fold these if you don't hit set to aggression (provided you have no reads). Since he raised preflop, he generally will have something like any pockets or some broadway cards most of the time. Do you really see him betting like this with low pockets or absolute crap on the turn? Maybe, but I don't. Unless he has some undeserving balls to raise this with those hands. I say fold.

But heck, we make calls we regret all the time and on the river, I say it's a definite fold. I remember reading Pokey's well once and he mentions one should bet monsters with monster hands on the river b/c most people will take it as a bluff. And you know what? It works beautifully. If I was in villain's position and had the Q, I would bet half pot on turn like villain and if my opponent calls, I would bet river ridiculously to make it look like a mad bluff.

All in all, I say you're beat most of the time here (turn and river) and I would fold this. =)

[AZplaya]

meh I usually convince myself he has KJ and snap, then smash something when he flips over trips. This is usually trips or air though.

On a side note, anyone like turning our hand into a bluff and c/ring his weak sauce turn bet to about $10?

[Profish2285]

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meh I usually convince myself he has KJ and snap, then smash something when he flips over trips. This is usually trips or air though.

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See this I dont understand though. Why cant this be a boat or a ten sometimes as well? The only air hand is KJ. I just dont see why everyone is convinced this is air as opposed to simply villain missing a c/r.

[whyzze]

KJ/J9/56/heart draw all missed.

i think calling is slightly +EV. I cant see him betting pot with a 10, nor a Q when its totally obvious you dont have one. Since its totally obvious you dont have one, call is fine.

[billip62]

I would fold this on the turn, there arn't enough ways to win the pot. You really need a check check on the riv because there's no way to tell if you good considering the riv is going to be another overcard most of the time. Insta fold on the river as played.

my line with small pp, flop a set, c-bet in position, or check fold.

[Pokey]

It's hard to decide if BB missed his check-raise on the flop or if he woke up with a hand on the turn. Some strong Q or a set are certainly possibilities, here, but so are two hearts or even A4.

The turn bet was relatively small, so it might have been a probe to try and steal an orphaned pot -- that's always a possibility. Villain figures that a 4 didn't hit the preflop raiser and that you already said you didn't have anything worth pursuing, so he's going for it. Because of all that, calling the turn seems appropriate to me, but only because you're closing the action.

On the river I'd fold. Unknowns generally don't bluff with a pot-sized bet; rather, they bluff with a half-pot bet. If he'd dropped $5 on the river, I'd call it. As it stands, I'm moving on. Even if villain is panic-betting his T he's got me beaten, and I think villain's range is loaded towards two-pair and trips which beat me soundly. I've got no folding equity unless I'm ahead, and I think I'm behind more than 2/3rds of the time, so I let this one go.

Note that if you change that T to a 5 and I call this river bet.