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  #1751  
Old 10-18-2007, 07:47 PM
cha59 cha59 is offline
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

For me, one of the biggest initial adjustments in making the transition from sngs to cash was figuring out when to loosen up preflop. In general, I think if you continue playing tight from the blinds and loosen up on the button, you'll do well.
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:47 PM
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Basically readless very early in the session. This is where I have the most trouble because once you have reads, playing is easy. Am I Grand Central Station?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $101.50
CO: $130.75
Button: $67.10
SB: $133.90
Hero: $100

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $3.5</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $6</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($19.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $16</font>, Hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($51.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $42.5</font>, Hero calls.

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Slim, fold pf cuz of rio.

flop is good as played, dump it after that. Your goal is to get to sd cheaply, he isn't letting you do that so fold turn.

KK hand sorta a nitty comment, but I'd raise more pf ~14 oop otherwise, looks good.
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:24 AM
Scuba Chuck Scuba Chuck is offline
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Pretty ugly slim. I just fold preflop. I have a very narrow calling range from the blinds. oop sucks.



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Just to provide you some numbers. This is from my 36,000 hands this month.

Folded SB to Steal: 87.09%
Folded BB to Steal: 78.75%
Folded BB to Steal HU: 78.10%

I assume these are consistent with most. I think the "folded to bb steal" is yet so large because of all the foolios who min-raise, and I just can't seem to fold K2s to such good odds (especially multi-way).
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Old 10-19-2007, 01:33 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: KK 200+ BB\'s deep

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My question is, is there another way to play KK in a 200+ BB game? Perhaps even another thought process?


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4-bet pre to make it easier to get all in on the flop

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What if an A flops and villain is still aggressive?
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Old 10-19-2007, 01:36 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

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Here's the actual hand:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">UTG ($600)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($600)</font>
CO ($842.10)
Button ($790.05)
SB ($779)
BB ($161.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $22</font>, Hero calls $22, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($53) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $125</font>, UTG calls $85.

Turn: ($303) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero insta checks.

River: ($303) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, UTG calls $200.

Final Pot: $703

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Qh Qc (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Qs Ac (full house, aces full of sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $703. </font>

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Why insta check turn? worried about AK until he chacks river?
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Old 10-19-2007, 02:57 PM
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Default Re: KK 200+ BB\'s deep

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My question is, is there another way to play KK in a 200+ BB game? Perhaps even another thought process?


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4-bet pre to make it easier to get all in on the flop

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What if an A flops and villain is still aggressive?

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well there arent very many villains that will call 4-bets light and then bluff A high flops so you can usually get away 200BBs deep on an A hi board
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Old 10-19-2007, 02:57 PM
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Here's the actual hand:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">UTG ($600)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($600)</font>
CO ($842.10)
Button ($790.05)
SB ($779)
BB ($161.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $22</font>, Hero calls $22, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($53) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $125</font>, UTG calls $85.

Turn: ($303) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero insta checks.

River: ($303) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, UTG calls $200.

Final Pot: $703

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Qh Qc (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Qs Ac (full house, aces full of sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $703. </font>

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Why insta check turn? worried about AK until he chacks river?

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def not worried about AK, just trying to get more money out of worse hands
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:10 PM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

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Why insta check turn? worried about AK until he chacks river?

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def not worried about AK, just trying to get more money out of worse hands

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It was part of my 'plan'. The raise on the flop was suppose to look like a bluff. So, I thought the check behind would look like I'd given up.

After chatting with my coach about this hand last night, he thinks I should be betting the turn to get my stack in on the the river though. Said I was just being a tricky donk [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($196.20)
UTG ($211)
MP ($272.85)
Hero ($209.15)
SB ($239.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $19</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $13.

Flop: ($41) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $22</font>, MP calls $22.

Turn: ($85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($85) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $231.85 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $168.15 (All-In).

Final Pot: $421.30

which boat does villain have here ?
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: STTF SNG->cash thread

I guess tens full?
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