You are delt 88...

[Bluegrassplayer]

Thats what is so great about this situation though: you aren't playing a marginal situation post flop. If there isn't an 8 on the flop you know you're not good.

[ncboiler]

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Thats what is so great about this situation though: you aren't playing a marginal situation post flop. If there isn't an 8 on the flop you know you're not good.

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You don't necessarily know this.

[Mike Kelley]

If he's ultra tight and he checks to me I will b/f most flops.

[Bluegrassplayer]

I guess if the flop comes 7 high and he checks I might bet this, but that doesn't mean that YOU have to. So you do know this, if you don't like just holding a pair of eights after the flop then fold if you don't hit your set no matter what.

[Bluegrassplayer]

By the way what the hell is your picture? An umpa loompa?

[Johnes Benjamin]

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Thats what is so great about this situation though: you aren't playing a marginal situation post flop. If there isn't an 8 on the flop you know you're not good.

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You don't necessarily know this.

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no but you can assume you are behind enough that you are still usually just playing this for set value. It is ok to fold with the best hand in this situation, but I think mike is right that b/f to a check works sometimes, though i use it sparingly and this could be profitable w/o this move, especially if you are deep and UTG has trouble folding overpairs

[zyrrth]

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so wrong

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Now explain why.

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if he's tight he will have a tighter range/better hand and will be more likely to stack off.

[TheBad]

The only reason not to call would be if the UTG raiser is tight passive and will not pay me off if i hit my set. If he is TAG, i always call.
If people behind me call, it´s even better. I want like 1:10 to call only for set value, and with 2 additional caller behind me i will get 1:3 immediately -> Very easy fold if the board is too ugly and the action indicates that we are beat.

How can we not call here ? I thought we where looking for situations where villains makes the second best hand but keeps betting..

[WCGRider]

If you get 3 bet behind, the chance of the UTG raiser not 4 betting/shoving is bad. and thats if the 3 bettor is offering you odds to hit (which he prob wont be)

[Mike Kelley]

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If you get 3 bet behind, the chance of the UTG raiser not 4 betting/shoving is bad. and thats if the 3 bettor is offering you odds to hit (which he prob wont be)

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Was there a relevant point buried somewhere in this?

You don't even mention our position at the table in this question...

ahhhh Under the gun plus one = UTG+1 my bad. just call it, 3betting is not that common at full ring play.