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Old 07-23-2007, 05:06 AM
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Default Wtf Am I Doing Here? Making a Stand Preflop Versus Constant 3 Bettor

Some serious critique here please. Villain had constantly been 3 betting me preflop. I wanted to make a stand. Was my flop fold correct? Any pair and I would have called. I think my preflop bet prolly should have been all in?

Villain showed his cards.


Cryptologic - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $71.05
BB: $561.05
Hero (UTG): $327.45
BTN: $195.95

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain was 36/27/6.5

We had both been battling it out preflop with him 3 betting me regularly.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, BTN calls $7.00, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $29.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $60.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $185.00</font>, Hero calls $125.00

Flop: ($378) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $100.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $100.00 returned to BB

Pot Size: $378.00 ($2 Rake)

Villains Hand In White Below

<font color="white"> J Hearts J Spades </font>
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:10 AM
Djeorge Djeorge is offline
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Default Re: Wtf Am I Doing Here? Making a Stand Preflop Versus Constant 3 Bet

4betting is ok this deep if he's been 3betting a ton but if I want to play back I often just call in position and try some stuff on the flop. If you do decide to 4bet though you have to make it bigger, to something like $85-90. Also, you gotta fold to the 5bet.
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:11 AM
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Default Re: Wtf Am I Doing Here? Making a Stand Preflop Versus Constant 3 Bettor

This is not making a stand, it's tilt - and the reason light 3-betting is so profitable.

If you want to play this hand, you cannot call the 5-bet preflop and then play fit or fold. Shove preflop if you absolutely insist on playing/spewing here. Fold is much better than shoving which is itself much much much much much much much much better than calling.
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:12 AM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: Wtf Am I Doing Here? Making a Stand Preflop Versus Constant 3 Bet

pretty terrible.

just fold to the 3bet, if your gonna play it then raise it up... $60 is not a raise
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:22 AM
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Default Re: Wtf Am I Doing Here? Making a Stand Preflop Versus Constant 3 Bet

yeah I think I bottled it.
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:58 AM
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- and the reason light 3-betting is so profitable.


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Please explain?
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:10 AM
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Default Re: Wtf Am I Doing Here? Making a Stand Preflop Versus Constant 3 Bettor

his light 3 betting got you to stick in 185 preflop with Q rag suited.
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:24 AM
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ok but did you look at what cards he had? Obv a read in future
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:26 AM
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Default Re: Wtf Am I Doing Here? Making a Stand Preflop Versus Constant 3 Bettor

No I didn't look.. I'm assuming he had Q high pretty well beat though.
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Old 07-23-2007, 06:59 AM
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I was a 32% dog. I guess I should just really wait for a big hand versus this guy
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