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#11
10-13-2007, 04:56 PM
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Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory
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Thats actually the essence of the post. I'm not interested in hearing what people think about andy bloch's range of hands that he lists in his chapter. I'm interested in what they think of my modification of them for 6max online cash games. [/ QUOTE ] hand ranges change value depending on villains vs tags the high card value you get from hands like QTo is almost non existant vs lags the high card value you get from hands like QTo is much larger and obviously things change depending on trickiness of lags, cr frequencies, etc. 
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#12
10-13-2007, 05:14 PM
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Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory
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[ QUOTE ] Thats actually the essence of the post. I'm not interested in hearing what people think about andy bloch's range of hands that he lists in his chapter. I'm interested in what they think of my modification of them for 6max online cash games. [/ QUOTE ] that's a very good point, i would think for the sake of simplicity that it is probably easier for a multitabler to adopt a somewhat balanced strategy that assumes they will play a mix of lags and tags and then use reads/PAHUD to choose an appropriate range of hands to call a 3bet with, where you obviously call a LAG lighter and use non-dominated hands in position, preferably, against a TAG hand ranges change value depending on villains vs tags the high card value you get from hands like QTo is almost non existant vs lags the high card value you get from hands like QTo is much larger and obviously things change depending on trickiness of lags, cr frequencies, etc. [/ QUOTE ]
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#13
10-13-2007, 05:44 PM
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Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory
His ranges look good, and I use similar. Obviously any fixed strategy like this can get exploited by good players, but generally these are good guidelines for SH NL.
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#15
10-13-2007, 05:58 PM
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Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory
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Who cares about pf play when you can't play postflop well. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't that when you should care? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#16
10-13-2007, 06:46 PM
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Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory
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Obviously any fixed strategy like this can get exploited by good players [/ QUOTE ] Shocking that a guy who's been studying unexploitable play for like 15 years missed something that's so obv to the common ssnl'er. Someone should e-mail him and make him aware of this oversight.
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#17
10-13-2007, 07:20 PM
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Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory
My button range is a lot more like this:
x%: pairs, big cards, connectors y%: top 75% z%: All than: "Button (45%): add A2o+, K7o+, K2s+, 63s+, 87o+." Defined ranges down to the kicker on Jx is for limit, not no limit, and even there, the blinds' play factors a lot more heavily than any fixed guidelines can account for. In earlier positions this isn't as true, because the range within which you adjust is tighter, so it can be a reasonable approximation of actual play to state a guideline. For button play, it seems borderline useless, because the range of situational ranges is so wide.
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#18
10-13-2007, 07:23 PM
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Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory
I don't mean that in a game theory randomizing way. I mean x% of the time the scenario calls for raising solid hands only, y% for raising anything I can find any reason to play, z% for raising anything.
Of course there's a gradation between x and y.
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#19
10-14-2007, 04:22 AM
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Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory
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His ranges look good, and I use similar. Obviously any fixed strategy like this can get exploited by good players, but generally these are good guidelines for SH NL. [/ QUOTE ] by "his" do you mean andy bloch's ranges or my ranges?
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#20
10-14-2007, 05:58 AM
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Re: A Discussion of PF LAG play using Andy Bloch\'s pf raising theory
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his UTG and UTG+1 is too wide [/ QUOTE ] qft, imo in true lag play there is a HUGE gap between utg+1 and CO vpip/pfr (which are the same thing basically).
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