Need help value betting river, please

[jk3a]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $195.00
BB: $186.50
Hero (UTG): $334.95
BTN: $58.00

Reads: <font color="blue">villain in first hand is like 40/10 not good.
villain in 2nd hand is unknown.
villain in 3rd hand, i have a note that says he is a bit of a station</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $7.00, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($24) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $19.00</font>, SB folds, BB calls $19.00

Turn: ($62) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $45.00</font>, BB calls $45.00

River: ($152) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)



Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $93.80
Hero (BB): $292.20
UTG: $303.75
CO: $146.80
BTN: $41.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $2.00, BTN folds, SB calls $1.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, CO calls $8.00, SB folds

Flop: ($22) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $17.00</font>, CO calls $17.00

Turn: ($56) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $39.00</font>, CO calls $39.00

River: ($134) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)




Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $201.00
BB: $302.75
UTG: $306.50
BTN: $95.75

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $8.00

Flop: ($22) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $17.00</font>, UTG calls $17.00

Turn: ($56) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $43.00</font>, UTG calls $43.00

River: ($142) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)

[ReptileHouse]

I must need help, too. I check behind hands two and three more often than not.

[jk3a]

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I must need help, too. I check behind hands two and three more often than not.

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I only have position in hand 1.

[scallop]

I dont see much value in betting hand one.

[pepper123]

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I dont see much value in betting hand one.

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you're missing a lot of value then. so many draws missed that an 8 is going to look up a 1/2 pot bet a ton.

[scallop]

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I dont see much value in betting hand one.

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you're missing a lot of value then. so many draws missed that an 8 is going to look up a 1/2 pot bet a ton.

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missed draws dont have an 8. the 40/10 calline guy could have anything, so yeah a 1/2 bet might be called by a pair.

[loosbastard]

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I dont see much value in betting hand one.

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villain in first hand is like 40/10 not good.

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He shows up w/ a busted draw a lot...but there's definitely value to be had from 99/TT/8x or even 7x against this guy. I make it like $99.

Hand 2, I probably just check.

The third is really close. If he were an aggro-tard...I probably C/C here. Since he's somewhat of a station, I'm tempted to bet like 1/2 pot and expect to get called by worse Q's a good % of the time.

[ReptileHouse]

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I must need help, too. I check behind hands two and three more often than not.

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I only have position in hand 1.

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Sigh. What I get for just looking quick at the bet sizing. Sorry about that. I really, really need caffeine (ldo).

I'm torn between checking and blocking. Stack sizes are awkward for a good block bet, unfortunately.

[jk3a]

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I dont see much value in betting hand one.

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villain in first hand is like 40/10 not good.

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He shows up w/ a busted draw a lot...but there's definitely value to be had from 99/TT/8x or even 7x against this guy. I make it like $99.

Hand 2, I probably just check.

The third is really close. If he were an aggro-tard...I probably C/C here. Since he's somewhat of a station, I'm tempted to bet like 1/2 pot and expect to get called by worse Q's a good % of the time.

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why check hand 2? to c/f?

[Demogorgon]

I probably make an obvious little vbet hand 1, C/C 3.

F it, B/F hand two.

scallop, Im sure what pepper123 meant that heros range include a bunch of missed draws which is why an 8 might look him up.