AJs 3-bet pot line check against unknown

Mike MacIntosh · #1 10-25-2007, 06:54 PM

Villain just sat down couple of hands ago.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($109.10)
Hero ($110.05)
UTG ($100.50)
MP ($95.50)
CO ($108)
Button ($65.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $13, CO calls $9.

Flop: ($26.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $17, CO calls $17.

Turn: ($60.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($60.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $40, Hero calls $40.

Standard?

Mike MacIntosh · #2 10-26-2007, 09:41 AM

This hand must be really standard/who knows against an unknown...

Suigin406 · #3 10-26-2007, 09:44 AM

i'm betting the river after we checked the turn...also, heck, i bet the turn here, he prolly has some PP here

tubasteve · #4 10-26-2007, 09:47 AM

if you check the river you have to call. he definitely can be "value" betting Tx, or have a bluff. 5x is unlikely since no money went in on the turn.

Mike MacIntosh · #5 10-26-2007, 09:52 AM

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i'm betting the river after we checked the turn...also, heck, i bet the turn here, he prolly has some PP here

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On the turn I weighted his range towards QQ+, due to his PF/flop line. Really did not see much value in betting b/c there are not many hands in his range that I beat which call a turn bet. Also I really dislike b/f here when he shoves.

Obviously the river is pretty standard. I checked to induced a bluff, and must now call.

BombayBadboy · #6 10-26-2007, 10:01 AM

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if you check the river you have to call. he definitely can be "value" betting Tx, or have a bluff. 5x is unlikely since no money went in on the turn.

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I think a very small part of his range is bluffs. I think QQ is his most likely hand by far.

Noam Chomsky · #7 10-26-2007, 10:51 AM

Edit: Nah, looking at stacks on the turn, I like your line but really think you're getting value towned more often thatn not.

Mike MacIntosh · #8 10-26-2007, 11:30 AM

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really think you're getting value towned more often thatn not.

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Guess there's not much we can do about it though.

Suigin406 · #9 10-26-2007, 11:36 AM

i can see the reasoning, but i don't know if it's weighted towards QQ as opposed to the rest of an unknown's range...

ok tho, maybe a turn check isn't so bad, but then to c/c the river is not so good imo b/c of lack of draws and we miss value from a T or PP will check behind

Casper05 · #10 10-26-2007, 11:55 AM

c/c turn, c/f river.

since he checks turn behind, bet/fold river...his calling range is >>>>> his betting range.

I really hate c/c river.