FTP $330 Mill., stupid turn spot facing overbet

swede554 · #1 11-11-2007, 07:49 PM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. 20/40 blinds.

UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 raises 160, 3 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop:(500) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks.

Turn:(500) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets 350, UTG folds, MP3 raises 2850 (All-In), Hero?

I cover villain by about 1,000. OPR showed villain being a losing player, -55% roi,over a small sample size, 101 mtt's. That's all the info I had on him since this was early on. So wtf is this?

LerkEr · #2 11-11-2007, 08:02 PM

he's got a Q or he's got a boat 1 of the 2./

whynot? · #3 11-11-2007, 08:34 PM

seems like a Q without a heart that doesnt want the draw to hit to me

Cornell Fiji · #4 11-11-2007, 08:59 PM

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seems like a Q without a heart that doesnt want the draw to hit to me

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this is what it looks like to me too

swede554 · #5 11-11-2007, 09:02 PM

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seems like a Q without a heart that doesnt want the draw to hit to me

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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?

adanthar · #6 11-11-2007, 09:35 PM

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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?

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because he has ace queen

fsoyars · #7 11-11-2007, 10:21 PM

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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?

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because he has ace queen

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I don't understand what this means. Seems to me like AQ bets this flop way more than it checks, esp 3-way. Looks more like AK with Ah to me.

Cornell Fiji · #8 11-12-2007, 12:00 AM

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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?

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because he has ace queen

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I don't understand what this means. Seems to me like AQ bets this flop way more than it checks, esp 3-way. Looks more like AK with Ah to me.

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On the flop he hit his hand so he got tricky and slowplayed.

On the turn he got nervous about the flush so he shoved.

If someone hit a flush against him on the turn he would probably say "this is [censored] unreal, I am so unlucky to lose with trips." I suggest that you befriend some bad players as a sociological experiment. If you can handle their bad beat stories it will be great for your game.

jordankickz · #9 11-12-2007, 12:09 AM

Is it bad that I think he has something like AhKx or AhJx and really wanna call?

fsoyars · #10 11-12-2007, 12:12 AM

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That would normally be my assumption as well, but MP3 was the preflop raiser and last person to act on the flop, so why is he checking behind w/ a Q if he's worried about a possible flushdraw?

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because he has ace queen

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I don't understand what this means. Seems to me like AQ bets this flop way more than it checks, esp 3-way. Looks more like AK with Ah to me.

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On the flop he hit his hand so he got tricky and slowplayed.

On the turn he got nervous about the flush so he shoved.

If someone hit a flush against him on the turn he would probably say "this is [censored] unreal, I am so unlucky to lose with trips." I suggest that you befriend some bad players as a sociological experiment. If you can handle their bad beat stories it will be great for your game.

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I am only friends with ballers who run like god. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Srsly though, I get why he would shove the turn if he had AQ. I'm just not buying that unknowns are checking back AQ here in a 3-way pot with a two flush board. Unless we have some read or something.