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08-07-2007, 03:24 PM
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Did you see this Bill Kristol column a couple of weeks ago
I meant to post this a while ago. Anyway, this is one of the most delusional pieces of garbage I have ever read. How does anyone take this guy seriously?
Article deleted for copyright reasons. Link substituted. Cliff's notes: Bush is a good president. Where can I bet on this? 
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#2
08-07-2007, 09:49 PM
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Re: Did you see this Bill Kristol column a couple of weeks ago
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"There's been a certain amount of pop sociology in America … that the Shia can't get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There's almost no evidence of that at all," he reassured NPR listeners in April 2003. "Iraq's always been very secular. [/ QUOTE ] I used this one a few weeks ago and expressed the same disbelief - how can anyone listen to this guy? Notice the arrogance, "pop sociology" bs. Not really Bill, just guys who actually study this stuff all their lives, and don't wage war on the backs of the poor based on some faith based neo con pipe dream.
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08-07-2007, 11:30 PM
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Re: Did you see this Bill Kristol column a couple of weeks ago
From Kristol:
[ QUOTE ] Let's step back from the unnecessary mistakes and the self-inflicted wounds that have characterized the Bush administration. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, let's ignore all the mistakes and scandals. Good start. [ QUOTE ] Let's look at the broad forest rather than the often unlovely trees. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, let's look at his terms in their entirety. How he made us safer, reduced the size and scope of govt, and put us on a new course away from nation building. Right, Bill, that's where your good conservative stance is going with this? [ QUOTE ] What do we see? First, no second terrorist attack on U.S. soil -- not something we could have taken for granted. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm. But he did have that one attack which called 3000 Americans. And hindsight says the government may have dropped the ball on actionable intel and that Bush ignored some advice from previous admin. Adn it appears that we now have as big or maybe bigger terrorist problem than before. But oh hell, sure let's call one major attack and 3000 dead a success. [ QUOTE ] Second, a strong economy -- also something that wasn't inevitable. [/ QUOTE ] Wait, Bill, I'm confused. Because you'd be first in line to not give credit to a President when the economy booms under say Clinton. Remember, Bill, don't you believe that business leaders and hard-working Americans make the economy tick. Seems as though massive govt deficits and ginormous spending increases would be the kind of thing you would frown on in the past. But oh hell, let's not nit pick. [ QUOTE ] And third, and most important, a war in Iraq that has been very difficult, but where -- despite some confusion engendered by an almost meaningless "benchmark" report last week -- we now seem to be on course to a successful outcome. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, Bill, I can't let you get away with this one. This admin has done just about everything possible to screw up this war from the start -- a war that hindsight proves was never necessary to begin with and was brought on us by the admin's blind obsession with Saddam and Iraq. You surely aren't going to chalk this war into Bush's "win" column are you? What a dishonor that would be to the thousands who have died due to this admin's blundering. Bill?
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08-07-2007, 11:46 PM
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Re: Did you see this Bill Kristol column a couple of weeks ago
Possibly your worst post ever.
[ QUOTE ] From Kristol: [ QUOTE ] Let's step back from the unnecessary mistakes and the self-inflicted wounds that have characterized the Bush administration. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, let's ignore all the mistakes and scandals. Good start. <font color="red"> step back != ignore bad start </font> [ QUOTE ] Let's look at the broad forest rather than the often unlovely trees. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, let's look at his terms in their entirety. How he made us safer, reduced the size and scope of govt, and put us on a new course away from nation building. Right, Bill, that's where your good conservative stance is going with this? <font color="red"> why don't you read it instead of interjecting your suppositions? </font> [ QUOTE ] What do we see? First, no second terrorist attack on U.S. soil -- not something we could have taken for granted. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm. But he did have that one attack which called 3000 Americans. <font color="red">that no administration would have stopped in its earliest days </font> And hindsight says the government may have dropped the ball on actionable intel and that Bush ignored some advice from previous admin. <font color="red">bs. speaking of kool-aid drinkers </font> Adn it appears that we now have as big or maybe bigger terrorist problem than before. <font color="red"> oh really? evidence to support that, or more importantly that a different course of action would have less threat than now</font> But oh hell, sure let's call one major attack and 3000 dead a success. [ QUOTE ] Second, a strong economy -- also something that wasn't inevitable. [/ QUOTE ] Wait, Bill, I'm confused. Because you'd be first in line to not give credit to a President when the economy booms under say Clinton. Remember, Bill, don't you believe that business leaders and hard-working Americans make the economy tick. <font color="red"> letting the business leaders make decisions and letting everyone keep more of what they earn helps the economy tick. An administration is hard pressed to improve an economy, but they can sure screw one up </font> Seems as though massive govt deficits and ginormous spending increases would be the kind of thing you would frown on in the past. But oh hell, let's not nit pick. <font color="red"> yeah, lets take the liberal line and vote to send the troops in, and then not pay for it </font> [ QUOTE ] And third, and most important, a war in Iraq that has been very difficult, but where -- despite some confusion engendered by an almost meaningless "benchmark" report last week -- we now seem to be on course to a successful outcome. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, Bill, I can't let you get away with this one. This admin has done just about everything possible to screw up this war from the start -- a war that hindsight proves was never necessary to begin with and was brought on us by the admin's blind obsession with Saddam and Iraq. You surely aren't going to chalk this war into Bush's "win" column are you? What a dishonor that would be to the thousands who have died due to this admin's blundering. <font color="red"> what part of "seem to be" and "on course to" can you read as chalking up a win? </font> Bill? [/ QUOTE ] Deleted
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08-07-2007, 11:58 PM
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Re: Did you see this Bill Kristol column a couple of weeks ago
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Possibly your worst post ever. [ QUOTE ] From Kristol: [ QUOTE ] Let's step back from the unnecessary mistakes and the self-inflicted wounds that have characterized the Bush administration. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, let's ignore all the mistakes and scandals. Good start. <font color="red"> step back != ignore bad start </font> [ QUOTE ] Let's look at the broad forest rather than the often unlovely trees. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, let's look at his terms in their entirety. How he made us safer, reduced the size and scope of govt, and put us on a new course away from nation building. Right, Bill, that's where your good conservative stance is going with this? <font color="red"> why don't you read it instead of interjecting your suppositions? </font> [ QUOTE ] What do we see? First, no second terrorist attack on U.S. soil -- not something we could have taken for granted. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm. But he did have that one attack which called 3000 Americans. <font color="red">that no administration would have stopped in its earliest days </font> And hindsight says the government may have dropped the ball on actionable intel and that Bush ignored some advice from previous admin. <font color="red">bs. speaking of kool-aid drinkers </font> Adn it appears that we now have as big or maybe bigger terrorist problem than before. <font color="red"> oh really? evidence to support that, or more importantly that a different course of action would have less threat than now</font> But oh hell, sure let's call one major attack and 3000 dead a success. [ QUOTE ] Second, a strong economy -- also something that wasn't inevitable. [/ QUOTE ] Wait, Bill, I'm confused. Because you'd be first in line to not give credit to a President when the economy booms under say Clinton. Remember, Bill, don't you believe that business leaders and hard-working Americans make the economy tick. <font color="red"> letting the business leaders make decisions and letting everyone keep more of what they earn helps the economy tick. An administration is hard pressed to improve an economy, but they can sure screw one up </font> Seems as though massive govt deficits and ginormous spending increases would be the kind of thing you would frown on in the past. But oh hell, let's not nit pick. <font color="red"> yeah, lets take the liberal line and vote to send the troops in, and then not pay for it </font> [ QUOTE ] And third, and most important, a war in Iraq that has been very difficult, but where -- despite some confusion engendered by an almost meaningless "benchmark" report last week -- we now seem to be on course to a successful outcome. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, Bill, I can't let you get away with this one. This admin has done just about everything possible to screw up this war from the start -- a war that hindsight proves was never necessary to begin with and was brought on us by the admin's blind obsession with Saddam and Iraq. You surely aren't going to chalk this war into Bush's "win" column are you? What a dishonor that would be to the thousands who have died due to this admin's blundering. <font color="red"> what part of "seem to be" and "on course to" can you read as chalking up a win? </font> Bill? [/ QUOTE ] Deleted [/ QUOTE ] Hey thanks, Copernicus. If that's my worst post ever, then I rule 2+2, because that's a damn good post. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Incidentally, I'd call your post on par with your average.
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08-08-2007, 12:13 AM
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Re: Did you see this Bill Kristol column a couple of weeks ago
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[ QUOTE ] Possibly your worst post ever. [ QUOTE ] From Kristol: [ QUOTE ] Let's step back from the unnecessary mistakes and the self-inflicted wounds that have characterized the Bush administration. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, let's ignore all the mistakes and scandals. Good start. <font color="red"> step back != ignore bad start </font> [ QUOTE ] Let's look at the broad forest rather than the often unlovely trees. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, let's look at his terms in their entirety. How he made us safer, reduced the size and scope of govt, and put us on a new course away from nation building. Right, Bill, that's where your good conservative stance is going with this? <font color="red"> why don't you read it instead of interjecting your suppositions? </font> [ QUOTE ] What do we see? First, no second terrorist attack on U.S. soil -- not something we could have taken for granted. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm. But he did have that one attack which called 3000 Americans. <font color="red">that no administration would have stopped in its earliest days </font> And hindsight says the government may have dropped the ball on actionable intel and that Bush ignored some advice from previous admin. <font color="red">bs. speaking of kool-aid drinkers </font> Adn it appears that we now have as big or maybe bigger terrorist problem than before. <font color="red"> oh really? evidence to support that, or more importantly that a different course of action would have less threat than now</font> But oh hell, sure let's call one major attack and 3000 dead a success. [ QUOTE ] Second, a strong economy -- also something that wasn't inevitable. [/ QUOTE ] Wait, Bill, I'm confused. Because you'd be first in line to not give credit to a President when the economy booms under say Clinton. Remember, Bill, don't you believe that business leaders and hard-working Americans make the economy tick. <font color="red"> letting the business leaders make decisions and letting everyone keep more of what they earn helps the economy tick. An administration is hard pressed to improve an economy, but they can sure screw one up </font> Seems as though massive govt deficits and ginormous spending increases would be the kind of thing you would frown on in the past. But oh hell, let's not nit pick. <font color="red"> yeah, lets take the liberal line and vote to send the troops in, and then not pay for it </font> [ QUOTE ] And third, and most important, a war in Iraq that has been very difficult, but where -- despite some confusion engendered by an almost meaningless "benchmark" report last week -- we now seem to be on course to a successful outcome. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, Bill, I can't let you get away with this one. This admin has done just about everything possible to screw up this war from the start -- a war that hindsight proves was never necessary to begin with and was brought on us by the admin's blind obsession with Saddam and Iraq. You surely aren't going to chalk this war into Bush's "win" column are you? What a dishonor that would be to the thousands who have died due to this admin's blundering. <font color="red"> what part of "seem to be" and "on course to" can you read as chalking up a win? </font> Bill? [/ QUOTE ] Deleted [/ QUOTE ] Hey thanks, Copernicus. If that's my worst post ever, then I rule 2+2, because that's a damn good post. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] self-delusion won't improve them. Work on it.
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#8
08-07-2007, 11:50 PM
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Re: Did you see this Bill Kristol column a couple of weeks ago
God this guy is such a hack. Have you ever seen him on TV, he has this stupid little smirk on his face like what he is saying is so smart but nobody can understand it.
The no terriost attack since 9/11 argument reminds me of the Chris Rock skit about people bragging that they aren't in jail. There aren't SUPPOSED to be any terroist attacks! Low expectation having bastards [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. It is strange how he doesn't blame Bush for 9/11 but gives him all the credit that it hasn't happened again.
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08-08-2007, 12:21 AM
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Re: Did you see this Bill Kristol column a couple of weeks ago
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God this guy is such a hack. Have you ever seen him on TV, he has this stupid little smirk on his face like what he is saying is so smart but nobody can understand it. The no terriost attack since 9/11 argument reminds me of the Chris Rock skit about people bragging that they aren't in jail. There aren't SUPPOSED to be any terroist attacks! Low expectation having bastards [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. <font color="red">Why would it remind you of CR's routine when CR is talking about something that is under one's own control (not being in jail) vs an unprecedented method of attack by an outside agent? they arent even close </font> It is strange how he doesn't blame Bush for 9/11 but gives him all the credit that it hasn't happened again. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="red"> Maybe he doesnt give Bush full blame because the prior administration had 8 years to prepare for the attack, and Bush's had 8 months working under restrictions that the prior administration put on our own intelligence? When the next attack comes Bush won't bear responsibility either. It will be the liberals that continue to block effective means of intelligence gathering in the name of big brother paranoia.</font>
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08-08-2007, 12:48 AM
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Re: Did you see this Bill Kristol column a couple of weeks ago
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<font color="red"> Maybe he doesnt give Bush full blame because the prior administration had 8 years to prepare for the attack, and Bush's had 8 months working under restrictions that the prior administration put on our own intelligence? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Uh, like the restrictions that led to the FBI being alerted about Arabs who wanted to learn to fly jumbo jets but didn't care about landing them?
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