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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
Shocking.
Of course there's dispute over the use of tasers. They do carry a hell of a jolt without being lethal. Would you rather the cops in those situations used bullets instead? Someone dies once in awhile, usually as a combination of the jolt and whatever's in the individual's system. It doesn't mean this isn't a better alternative than being shot with lethal force. The alternative is to let criminals do what they want. You can't give the cops wiffle bats and manuals on how to stop a criminal by talking to him. Sometimes this kind of force becomes a necessity, especially with violent or psychotic criminals. |
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Would you rather the cops in those situations used bullets instead? [/ QUOTE ] So a cop only has two options to choose from? Shooting someone or zapping him with 50,000 volts? [ QUOTE ] The alternative is to let criminals do what they want. [/ QUOTE ] No, it isn't. What did cops do before the invention of the taser? Were they running around shooting everyone who looked sidewise at them? [ QUOTE ] You can't give the cops wiffle bats and manuals on how to stop a criminal by talking to him. [/ QUOTE ] Why not? |
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[ QUOTE ] Would you rather the cops in those situations used bullets instead? [/ QUOTE ] So a cop only has two options to choose from? Shooting someone or zapping him with 50,000 volts? [/ QUOTE ] Well, not in every situation, but violent situations where the criminal is also armed with a weapon, be it knife, bat, etc. What do you suggest the cops do? I don't disagree there are situations in where the taser is overused, and certainly the application needs to be looked at. They shouldn't use it at their convenience but in dangerous situations. [ QUOTE ] The alternative is to let criminals do what they want. [ QUOTE ] No, it isn't. What did cops do before the invention of the taser? Were they running around shooting everyone who looked sidewise at them? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] They shot more criminals than they should've. They just have a now less lethal option that still carries lethal force when it's applied to the wrong individual. They'd use nightsticks and their own bodies to force a criminal to submit, and when that didn't work, they would be forced to shoot them. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You can't give the cops wiffle bats and manuals on how to stop a criminal by talking to him. [/ QUOTE ] Why not? [/ QUOTE ] Violent and psychotic criminals do not react well to a gentle tone of voice and perusasion. When well into a course of action, they're notoriously difficult to stop. The degree of difficulty goes up quite a bit when they're armed. It's a distasteful alternative, tasering, and probably benefits officers more than it does the criminal, since tasering is not a gentle alternative, but it is less lethal than beating the criminal to death or shooting him. Bear in mind I'm considering situations where violence is guaranteed to happen. I don't agree with causal use of tasering just because the option is open to the officers. I'm also not sure what to make of the fact they'd use it to stop hostile crowds, and probably would lean towards not using it in those situations. But cops do need non-lethal alternatives when in situations with violent offenders and until something better comes up, tasering is basically better than using bullets. |
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But cops do need non-lethal alternatives when in situations with violent offenders and until something better comes up, tasering is basically better than using bullets. [/ QUOTE ] why do they taser old women then? who have no weapon of any kind? |
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[ QUOTE ] But cops do need non-lethal alternatives when in situations with violent offenders and until something better comes up, tasering is basically better than using bullets. [/ QUOTE ] why do they taser old women then? who have no weapon of any kind? [/ QUOTE ] It is a requirement. All recruits must do that at least once to pass the academy. It is quite like when rhetoric students must make one sweeping generalization based on outliers to become political debaters. |
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
tame,
Nice. I was going to say "Because it seems like a good idea?" Meh. There are bad cops, and without further info on the incident, I'll just assume this was a case where someone who shouldn't even be a cop got carried away with his toy. |
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It is a requirement. All recruits must do that at least once to pass the academy. It is quite like when rhetoric students must make one sweeping generalization based on outliers to become political debaters. [/ QUOTE ] the problem is that when a cop shoots someone like an old unarmed woman, he is universally condemned. but when he tasers same old, he gets a lot of defense, and universal support from police/legal. which leads to more and frequent tasering. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But cops do need non-lethal alternatives when in situations with violent offenders and until something better comes up, tasering is basically better than using bullets. [/ QUOTE ] why do they taser old women then? who have no weapon of any kind? [/ QUOTE ] It is a requirement. All recruits must do that at least once to pass the academy. It is quite like when rhetoric students must make one sweeping generalization based on outliers to become political debaters. [/ QUOTE ] nh. |
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Quote: Quote: Quote: But cops do need non-lethal alternatives when in situations with violent offenders and until something better comes up, tasering is basically better than using bullets. why do they taser old women then? who have no weapon of any kind? It is a requirement. All recruits must do that at least once to pass the academy. It is quite like when rhetoric students must make one sweeping generalization based on outliers to become political debaters. nh. [/ QUOTE ] so let me get this straight. the guy I was responding to said that taser is good against violent people because otherwise the police would have to shoot them. he was making the argument that tasers are a nonlethal bullet replacement. ok. fine. but that's not a sufficient justification for tasers because tasers are used on nonviolent people who would never be shot by police. where's your snippy answer to that you scum. (assuming you are scum. if youre not then disregard). is that your answer to people who say, hey, why are you tasering nonviolent people, to ridicule them instead of answering them? |
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What did cops do before the invention of the taser? Were they running around shooting everyone who looked sidewise at them? [/ QUOTE ] |
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