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Old 11-24-2007, 04:13 AM
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the pool of strong online players is definitely deeper than the pool of strong live players. there just aren't that many people who play big live games on a regular basis. even in vegas or LA, it's hard to get together a 50-100nl game. games bigger than that are rare and usually have to be organized ahead of time, except during the wsop. there aren't that many obvious picks for, say, the top 20 live NL players. offhand, obvious picks include kenny, doyle, barryg, patrik, ivey, less obvious picks bobby baldwin, nick shulman, haralabob voulgaris. -ba

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is there anyway you can come up with a well thought out full list of the top 20...maybe put it in your next bluff article??

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That would be very interesting. From my undertanding Brandon plays alot of live and online and has probably played most of the people making the best online list and the best live list.

EDIT: after some thought though, if I was in BA's position I don't I would be writing any lists.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:20 AM
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after some thought though, if I was in BA's position I don't I would be writing any lists.

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he could post it unanimously or have it go into the magazine as an unknown author
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:20 AM
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Lets ask mike matusow his opinion.

I mean he's lost a lot of money on Full Tilt so obviously he has to respect the skill of the online players, right?

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The flaw in this concept is easily gotton around with the classic "online isnt real poker" argument.

Fwiw, i think this argument is pretty silly - i also suspect PAs answer is swayed by the way DS asked it. There is a big difference between:

If today you were to gather the best ten full ring players around a table for a live game, how many of them would be online players?

If, given the time to adapt, how many players (if any) would the top ten full ring live players be internet players?

How many of the top ten cash game players in the world are internet players?

Three VERY different statements, where the one that is the broadest is the most important and the one that is the narrowest is the one that KT and PA have commented on.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:32 AM
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i'll put my money on daniel negreanu over a greenhorn live player like, oh, say, action jeff. who else?

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This would obv never go down in an NVG bet, but humor me plz. What setting would this be in? 20bb freezeouts are alot diff from 100-200 uncapped....
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:40 AM
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The online guys will fly across the country/globe to get in the live games but name pros won't walk across their living room to get in an online game.

And if I was PA and knew the live action was soft I would do all I could to conceal the fact for as long as I could.

Gus and DB have played both sides and I don't see them having an easy time online. No reason to think the rest of the pros would be significantly better.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:54 AM
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...I mean these guys go to the smelly casino all day...They could be grinding the cash games online and making supplemental money.

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Do some of you really believe this?

I'll admit the Venetian seems to have a bit too much perfume in the air. Otherwise, the only problem with any poker room I frequent is a few cocktail napkins under the table.

I spend my poker playing time in billion dollar resorts. That beats the hell out of "lying in bed w/ your laptop."
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:56 AM
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The online guys will fly across the country/globe to get in the live games but name pros won't walk across their living room to get in an online game.


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In their defense, if you could hand pick games in the way i understand the live pros like Thaler and Tran do (to what extent i have no clue) why would you play elsewhere?
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:57 AM
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I think the answer to all this is simple. Online guys see a lot more hands and are generally just all around smarter than the old school love pros. IF and a big IF, the live guys are better at live deep stacked poker, then it would just be a matter of the top online NL pros dedicating themselves to the nuances of deep stacked play and then it would be all over for the live guys. And obviously with 100bb stacks it's not even close. The online guys would destroy the live guys.

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and you don't think the opposite is true for the live guys? you don't think if they farted around with 100bb stacks for a few months, they couldn't torture the online games? if so, why not?

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Because A. they never have and if they could they would be doing it already. I mean these guys go to the smelly casino all day and have sick variance at times. So many are broke. They could be grinding the cash games online and making supplemental money.

Plus so many of them are street smart kind of guys. Aren't real good with numbers etc. Lots are just plain stupid. Not that all of the online guys are brillinat, but many are. My poker buddies are ivey league grads and successful wall street guys etc. How many of the live guys could graduate from an ivey league school...lol. Half probably don't even have a high school diploma.

Plus it's hard to adjust to different games when you gain your experience so slowly. How are they going to make huge adjustments and use data to make these adjustments when they can't do it as fast as online guys. I just think overall that if they could do it they would. I mean why not have an extra source of income while lying in bed w/ your laptop?

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my feeling is that many would do just fine.

where is B.?
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:59 AM
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I'm going to post in this thread even though I'm not going to read it.

I'll be god damned if I'm not one of the top 100 NLHE poker players in the world, and I'm probably not one of the top 50 internet players.

I'll also be damned if even half of the top 20 are live players, or if ANY of the top 20 NLHE shorthanded players are live players.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:01 AM
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When was the last time these top online pros played 6 handed, let alone 9 handed?
They are probably mostly live players now anyways, since they don't seem to play much online anymore. (at least on full tilt)
about the non-invites, why can't they organize their own live games?
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