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Old 11-04-2007, 09:48 AM
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Default Re: Hand 2: NYC Live 200/400 vs TheTakeover

My first thought was to shove the turn, but if you're not shoving the turn I would definitely call/call a blank river. On the spade river, though, I think the chances of his either having spades or of his putting you on spades and therefore not bluffing river probably swing it from a call to a fold.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:00 AM
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Default Re: Hand 2: NYC Live 200/400 vs TheTakeover

Why would he reraise the turn with air after he raised pre and checked the flop.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:08 AM
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lol
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Old 11-04-2007, 05:58 PM
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Default Re: Hand 2: NYC Live 200/400 vs TheTakeover

fold pre-armed robbery
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Old 11-04-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: Hand 2: NYC Live 200/400 vs TheTakeover

I fold. I wouldnt call here unless i had a good-sized flush.
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:45 PM
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Default Re: Hand 2: NYC Live 200/400 vs TheTakeover

the 4s is kinda a blank tho. how can he ever have a flush here unless he was looking to c/r the flop and decided to c/r the turn vs a bet and a raise. no fd ever plays it that way but a weird bluff might. either its a pure random bluff, has a boat, or long shot kj,j10.we can almost never have a boat or flush if your looking at it in his mind also
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: Hand 2: NYC Live 200/400 vs TheTakeover

Aren't there one-pair hands like AQ and KK that Nick might play this way in order to isolate artie on the turn, then turn into a bluff on the river? I'm not really qualified to comment, but it seems like a possibility.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:04 PM
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Default Re: Hand 2: NYC Live 200/400 vs TheTakeover

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Aren't there one-pair hands like AQ and KK that Nick might play this way in order to isolate artie on the turn, then turn into a bluff on the river? I'm not really qualified to comment, but it seems like a possibility.

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Checking that flop with KK/AQ is pretty dangerous, but I guess it's possible.

But if he decides after your turn call that he thinks KK is beat, I don't think he expects you to fold whatever you have. He played it in an awkward enough manner that I would think, that he would think, that anything > KK is calling this river bet.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:55 PM
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the 4s is kinda a blank tho. how can he ever have a flush here unless he was looking to c/r the flop and decided to c/r the turn vs a bet and a raise. no fd ever plays it that way but a weird bluff might.

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this is so obviously wrong: if he thinks it's a good spot to weird bluff why wouldn't it be a better spot to semibluff given that he's got more outs but can't cold call w/a fd anyway
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Old 11-04-2007, 11:34 PM
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the 4s is kinda a blank tho. how can he ever have a flush here unless he was looking to c/r the flop and decided to c/r the turn vs a bet and a raise. no fd ever plays it that way but a weird bluff might.

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this is so obviously wrong: if he thinks it's a good spot to weird bluff why wouldn't it be a better spot to semibluff given that he's got more outs but can't cold call w/a fd anyway

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Playing Devil's Advocate:

Cause he'd bet the flop with spades such an overwhelming % of the time?
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