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Old 10-27-2007, 08:09 AM
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Default A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

Hey guys,
I am playing poker for over 3 years now. I started playing limit hold'em but eventually shifted to no-limit SNGs and MTTs. I did okay and built a reasonable bankroll playing in those tournaments.

Even though I enjoy playing SNGs and MTTs, my long-term goal is to become a very successful limit player.

At the time I quit playing limit hold'em (almost 2 years ago) I was playing 5/10 (with some 3/6 6max) and I was a breakeven player.

Today, I have more than enough bankroll to play in a 5/10 game but I want to prove myself that I can beat this level before I advance any further. In other words, I want to improve my limit game both theoretically and practically.

Below are the books that I have in "my poker archive" regarding to limit hold'em;

1) Winning Low limit Hold'em by Lee Jones
2) The Theory of Poker by David Sklansky
3) Inside the Poker Mind by John Feeney
4) Small Stakes Hold'em by Ed Miller, David Sklansky, Mason Malmuth
5) Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players by David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth
6) Super System 2 (Limit section by Jennifer Harman)
7) Internet Texas Hold'em by Matthew Hilger
8) Middle Limit Holdem Poker by Bob Ciaffone and Jim Brier
9) Weighing the Odds in Hold'em Poker by King Yao
10) Winning in Tough Hold'em Games by Stoxtrader and Zobags
11) How Good is Your Limit Hold'em? by Byron Jacobs and Jim Brier
12) Advanced Limit Hold'em Strategy by Barry Tanenbaum

I have read the first 4 books and mostly skimmed through the other ones.

I am a patient person who wants to study the game before (and during) I hit the limit tables again.
But I am not sure which book should I be reading first. In which order would you prefer to read these books? Any books that you wouldnt even bother reading?

It would be great if some of you can point me to right direction by saying "that book is good for x limits only" or "you should definitely read x book in order to compete in a 5/10 game" etc.

Thank you
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Old 10-27-2007, 08:34 AM
phydaux phydaux is offline
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Default Re: A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

Read the books in this order:

Small Stakes Hold'em
Weighing the Odds
Theory of Poker
Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players
Real Poker II: The Play of Hands (Not currently on your list. Go buy it. Today.)
Winning in Tough Hold'em Games
Middle Limit Hold'em
How Good is Your Limit Hold'em?

That's just 8 books rather than the 12 you had listed. However I think that if you just read & re-read these, particularly the last four, you'd be ready for any game you were properly rolled for.

And every once through the cycle grab one of Mason's Essays and read that. There's plenty of gold in there. Ciaffone's Improve Your Poker, too.
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Old 10-27-2007, 08:55 AM
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Default Re: A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

I'd cut down on your reading list a bit and read these books in the following order:

Theory:
1. Small Stakes Hold'em
2. Weighing the Odds
3. Winning in Tough Hold'em Games

Practice:
1. Real Poker II: The Play of Hands
2. How Good is Your Limit Hold'em?

All of the above books are outstanding IMHO.

Forget 'Middle Limit Hold'em' which time has passed by. It teaches weak tight strategies that will get you robbed deaf, dumb and blind by the much more aggressive play in today's internet games.

At the risk of getting burned at the 2+2 stake I would suggest there is no point in reading 'HPFAP' as well as 'Weighing the Odds'. HPFAP is still a very good book, but Yao's book covers the same ground in more detail and has a clearer writing style. Even a critic as tough as Mason gave 'Weighing the Odds' 8.5/10.
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Old 10-27-2007, 09:07 AM
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Default Re: A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

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Forget 'Middle Limit Hold'em' which time has passed by. It teaches weak tight strategies that will get you robbed deaf, dumb and blind by the much more aggressive play in today's internet games.



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I was under the impression that middle limit holdem was still worth reading if you could understand at which points the strategy in the book is wrong to follow?

Secondly, the poster didnt mention about playing online, only that he wished to play $5/$10...so i would assume that would be more likely to be live. If so, would the CAffione book be worthwhile reading for the live games?
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Old 10-27-2007, 09:23 AM
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Default Re: A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

Are we talking six max or ??


If six max then

SSHE and WITHG is enough. (you might wan't to add in the borer and lawrence book if you want something more basic before WITHG .. or to replace SSHE (can you read boards and count out ... sure you can, so SSHE is not essential anymore)

TOP is a nice addition and you are set.


HGIYLH by Jacobs might also be worth considering since it is a workbook.

Anything else you read will not add anything new just revisiting old material

Tho if you want a pleasant read there is tanenbaums book, that is inspirational and falls between the beginners and really advanced stuff.



Let's not overdo it.
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Old 10-27-2007, 11:00 AM
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Default Re: A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

If you're playing 6max, WITHG is by far the best book ever written.
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Old 10-27-2007, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

Thanks for all the feedback.
I forgot to mention that I'll be playing mostly online and probably start with full table until I get comfortable with the way I play and then move to 6max.
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Old 10-27-2007, 10:00 PM
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Default Re: A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

If you play live, add Gary Carson's "Complete Book of HE poker" and Caro's Book of Tells.
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Old 10-27-2007, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

How about "Limit Hold'em: Winning Short Handed Strategies" by Borer, Mak and Tanenbaum?

Is this book any good and would it be a good addition to the Limit Hold'em library?
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Old 10-28-2007, 06:55 AM
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Default Re: A Question for Limit Hold\'em Players

The new D&B shorthanded book by Terry Borer, Lawrence Mak and Barry Tanenbaum is the best material available when it comes to shorthanded play and is a must have for any limit player.
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