Can very loose .25/.50 SH be beat?

marchron · #1 11-30-2007, 10:39 AM

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I know this is going to come off as meaner than I intend it to, but if you can't beat guys like this, then I seriously question whether you can beat the other levels you mentioned.

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I don't. The players can be quite different.

OP: quit bluffing. Start value-betting. Realize that you may also be on the bad side of variance.

Smurph64 · #2 11-30-2007, 10:56 AM

yeah value bet is the way to go. calculate odds and start ranging your opponents document bet patterns, I guarantee you they aren't as random as you say they are.

I have been cold decked and rivered so many times in 1/2 6 max where most of the games I play have 3 seeing the flop on avg, considering I raise anytime I am in the flop that is a lot of bad cold calling.

Nevertheless, I am down .5 bb/100. At the $1 limit same stats I win 4% more at showdown have won 7% more with 2 pair and 8% more with a set than I am currently winning on 1/2 and have +3bb/100 avg over the same amount of hands.

Crap happens but you have to plug away.

If you have the bankroll, which it sounds like you do, then ride it out. If it continues after 20k hands then post stats, maybe you have a leak.

Fadook · #3 11-30-2007, 11:45 AM

OP, you playing at OnGame? Sounds quite similar. I've just had a really bad run there and have been thinking about the adjustments necessary. Here's some random thoughts:

Steal less. If you have a hand that relies heavily on people folding to win, don't raise. Consider folding or even limping.

In a similar vein, don't bluff. C-bet the turn far less when you have nothing. If they're not going to fold, so what?

A lot of these guys tend to be quite passive. So when they raise, strongly consier hitting fold. It can be hard to believe that they could actually have a hand that beats you when you see how uncoordinated the board is, but as you've said, they're playing close to any 2, so anything's possible.

To make up for the fact that you're playing a lot more weak-tight in some spots than you would against a more rational line-up, value bet a lot more. TPWK, middle pair, these are hands you need to bet on every street, including the river.