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09-09-2007, 07:42 PM
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low M, 88 in the sb vs early position raise
PS Hundred Grand. I've been at this table a while. I've shown down pretty solid hands, M at 5.2. Villain (28.1/21.9/0 over 32 hands) is one of the chip leaders. He's raised the last 3 hands in a row, showing AK, JJ. I put him on A5s+, A8+, 55+, and big kings and queens. Looking at this after the fact though I think this range is too tight given his stats.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com Hero (t25001) BB (t25086) UTG (t45234) UTG+1 (t127901) MP1 (t6080) MP2 (t12442) MP3 (t28875) CO (t15763) Button (t32965) Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t6000</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333"></font>Hero ?? Options are to push or stop n go. Stoving it with 88 vs his 22% raising range gives me 52% equity. So I don't mind getting it in preflop given my chip situation but what factors would make the stop n go the better play? 
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#2
09-09-2007, 08:40 PM
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Re: low M, 88 in the sb vs early position raise
Resteal as opposed to Stop And Go.
We prefer stop and go when: A: Our stack sizes mean we have little to no Fold Equity. B: We may well be behind his range. C: Our stack size combined with current strength of our cards demands we play, from the SB/BB. Here, I prefer a reshove. A: We do have some fold equity. His stack size is quite large compared to ours, so that sometimes means he would be willing to call us with trashier cards, our 25K is sufficiently large tho, that he is not priced in in nearly all cases. Thats one of the primary reasons to SNG as opposed to reshove. B: We are likely ahead. We prefer SNG when we might be behind atm. C: Our stack size demands we play these cards, and we are in SB/BB, but our 88 is ahead of his range, he might call with trashy cards *NOW* but fold post flop, thus we prefer to shove now. In short, SNG is preferred when our cards are good but not great, when our stack size garners little to no fold equity now, but possibly will generate some post flop. Here our cards are simply too good for SNG. I would maybe SNG here with 33, if I had half this stack. 4Card
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#3
09-09-2007, 09:47 PM
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Re: low M, 88 in the sb vs early position raise
great thoughtful response, thanks. I did shove and he showed tens. I feel like I made the right play.
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#5
09-09-2007, 10:53 PM
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Re: low M, 88 in the sb vs early position raise
either shove it or fold ....after all, he did raise essentially UTG and has showed premium hands thusfar
if anyone questions the fold, well you do have another 8 free hands to look at and can shove the money in a better situation (i.e. not being in a coinflip/being dominated, as 88's are pretty vunerable) but then again, 28/21 is pretty insane ...he's like gus hansen you said 28/21/0 ..0 aggression factor?
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#7
09-10-2007, 01:24 AM
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Re: low M, 88 in the sb vs early position raise
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you said 28/21/0 ..0 aggression factor? [/ QUOTE ] yeah, it isn't a typo
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#8
09-10-2007, 01:57 AM
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Re: low M, 88 in the sb vs early position raise
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PS Hundred Grand. I've been at this table a while. I've shown down pretty solid hands, M at 5.2. Villain (28.1/21.9/0 over 32 hands) is one of the chip leaders. He's raised the last 3 hands in a row, showing AK, JJ. I put him on A5s+, A8+, 55+, and big kings and queens. Looking at this after the fact though I think this range is too tight given his stats. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com Hero (t25001) BB (t25086) UTG (t45234) UTG+1 (t127901) MP1 (t6080) MP2 (t12442) MP3 (t28875) CO (t15763) Button (t32965) Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t6000</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333"></font>Hero ?? Options are to push or stop n go. Stoving it with 88 vs his 22% raising range gives me 52% equity. So I don't mind getting it in preflop given my chip situation but what factors would make the stop n go the better play? [/ QUOTE ] I'de just shove b/c you're ahead of his range pre, but it might not really matter b/c this type of player isn't folding overcards/underpairs on the flop very often. S&G might be a better play if u had 44 and Raiser had a 25BB stack.
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