86 diamonds Flush Draw play NL10

[CrAcK_N_CoKe]

PokerStars Game #13287829522: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/11/16 - 23:47:07 (ET)
Table 'Ausonia III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: ispiked ($16.85 in chips)
Seat 2: CrAcK_N_CoKe ($15.70 in chips)
Seat 3: toothyhummer ($11.30 in chips)
Seat 4: govonca ($5.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Taco Lettuce ($8 in chips)
Seat 6: 9 29 51 ($27.80 in chips)
ispiked: posts small blind $0.05
CrAcK_N_CoKe: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CrAcK_N_CoKe [6d 8d]
toothyhummer: raises $0.20 to $0.30
govonca: folds
Taco Lettuce: folds
9 29 51: folds
ispiked: folds
CrAcK_N_CoKe: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [Kc Jd Qd]
CrAcK_N_CoKe: checks
toothyhummer: bets $0.50
CrAcK_N_CoKe: raises $1 to $1.50
toothyhummer: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Kc Jd Qd] [7s]
CrAcK_N_CoKe: bets $1.75


Suppose no fold equity and 85% sure he will not raise me , how do you like this play after he called the check-raise to stack him if i hit?Am i sellin my hand with this small turn bet?

[Micro Donk]

fold preflop

just call flop (or i might even fold sometimes), you dont have fold equity on this board

if you must play it like this, raise a bit more on the flop, and bet much more on the turn

[CrAcK_N_CoKe]

1.Dont wanna discuss pre-flop , just mixing it up i call like 15% of the time to defend here.

2.I raised the flop knowing i was getting call 85% of the time except if he c-bet a small pocket pair.I raised to stack him later and to be sure he liked his hand enough to continue drawing.

3.I dont know why exactly but i had a very good feeling he was nto raising me so i just bet turn to choose the amount i wanted to pay.

4.I very very rarely play my flush draw like this thats why i post it.

[Micro Donk]

if by "mixing it up" you mean "spewing" then yes you are mixing it up

[gfejs]

If you are gona semibluff this (although I dont think this is the time too it, oop unknown villian) you must make your raises and bets larger imo so he migh fold a week king or a draw... its very easy for him too call 2 streats with only a king here.


But thats imo.

[ispiked]

If you don't hit on the turn, you're rarely ahead when you bet here (obviously). But the thing that sucks here is that you don't have a lot of fold equity, even if you make a decent sized bet here (from my experience at least).

I'm a passive nit, so I'm probably just check-calling flop and trying to get a cheap card, but I've just found that following through with check-raises after getting called isn't that +EV when you don't make your hand...

[CrAcK_N_CoKe]

Hi ispiked u were at the table ( i didnt hit my clubs straight [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] pheww )

What im trying to say , is that i DONT BET the turn to make him fold cause i know he wont.I make this bet for 2 things and i want your opinions on that logic :

1.Choosing the amount i want to pay on the turn to draw thinking he wont raise me ( and thats what i thought )

2.Making it more difficult for him to fold on the river if i hit and shove.

Im not an idiot , if i check-raise 1,50 and i really want him to fold i will bet 2,75$ minimum.
But this hand is not the standard way i play so the *General EV* is less important in that case.The EV of THIS HAND at THIS moment is more important cause im not gonna do it enough to make an GENERAL EV play.
Discuss

[kav]

1. If you want to see cards cheaply just c/c flop and turn. There's no point in making a strong move on the flop and a weak bet on the turn. Your bet is inviting a raise.

2. While the chances your getting called in a big pot are greater if you hit your hand, I doubt he's calling at this coordinated board unless he has a good hand (and he's probably raising the turn if he does).