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#31
09-15-2006, 01:43 PM
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Re: $105+9. Do you absolutely have to push here on button?
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Ad 4s vs. Qh 6h, the ace is only a 55% 44% fav. do you really want to flip a coin to go out in third? first of all, i'm already in the money here, so losing my coin flip actually costs me quite a bit of real cash. i'd wait at least until my Ace was suited where my odds move up to about 60% or more. insta pushing with any ace is not always the best play. again, what are the reads on teh opponents. if i'm fairly certain that they're going to fold an all in then i'm pushing more likely, but if they will play any two cards then i'm not as sure anymore. i like to raise with a hand. also, raising it up when the better option is to push could make my move more deceptive, because they KNOW i'm pushing with an ace, but raising 3BB might look like i'm just trying to get money in the pot. if i know i'm pushing anyways, then yes, sometimes, i'll raise then push the rest in no matter what the flop. it's worked for me in the past. [/ QUOTE ] Would you call an all in with Q6s? 
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#32
09-15-2006, 01:44 PM
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Re: $105+9. Do you absolutely have to push here on button?
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Don't listen to someone who has over 200k won in pokerdb.. [/ QUOTE ] What is this 200k person's reasoning on this hand? Also, you have more than 200K in winnings when you look at all the people that have responded to this post.
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#33
09-15-2006, 01:47 PM
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Re: $105+9. Do you absolutely have to push here on button?
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[ QUOTE ] Don't listen to someone who has over 200k won in pokerdb.. [/ QUOTE ] What is this 200k person's reasoning on this hand? Also, you have more than 200K in winnings when you look at Curtains . [/ QUOTE ] FYP
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#34
09-15-2006, 01:48 PM
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Re: $105+9. Do you absolutely have to push here on button?
the fact that hes playing any 2 increases our % of winning if called. If hes not calling any 2, our % no call is high enough to push. No matter what angle you approach this hand from , this is a push. I get the feeling that you are not thinking on the same level as the rest of us. I dont think there is a plausible calling range for the BB that makes this push -ev.
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#35
09-15-2006, 01:50 PM
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Re: $105+9. Do you absolutely have to push here on button?
i'm not playing the math right now. i'm playing for first, so all i'm saying is there are times i would fold this hand when it's 3 handed, we're in the money and i'm the middle stack.
big stack or short stack it's an easy push. and, also, it really depends on the players and the situations. have i pushed a lot lately? shown down any big hands. there is so much more for me to consider than just seeing a weak ace. perhaps i'm not playing mechanically enough in these situations. i'm also not saying that my opionion is best. i'm just answering the question.
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#36
09-15-2006, 01:52 PM
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Re: $105+9. Do you absolutely have to push here on button?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Don't listen to someone who has over 200k won in pokerdb.. [/ QUOTE ] What is this 200k person's reasoning on this hand? Also, you have more than 200K in winnings when you look at Curtains . [/ QUOTE ] FYP [/ QUOTE ] LOL.. Listen. I push this every single solitary time. During the hand he told me that this can be played another way by min raising to give him some more fold equity and pushing the flop rather than flipping. To show what he'd call with he called w/ K8suited and my hand held up.
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#38
09-15-2006, 01:54 PM
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Re: $105+9. Do you absolutely have to push here on button?
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i'm not playing the math right now. i'm playing for first, so all i'm saying is there are times i would fold this hand when it's 3 handed, we're in the money and i'm the middle stack. big stack or short stack it's an easy push. and, also, it really depends on the players and the situations. have i pushed a lot lately? shown down any big hands. there is so much more for me to consider than just seeing a weak ace. perhaps i'm not playing mechanically enough in these situations. i'm also not saying that my opionion is best. i'm just answering the question. [/ QUOTE ] every once and a while there is a thread like this where we have to go back to the basics of sngs and try and explain it all over again. kickflip, just trust everyone, you are wrong about almost everything youve said. stick around and read the forums, buy sngpt, and youll figure out why.
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#39
09-15-2006, 01:57 PM
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Re: $105+9. Do you absolutely have to push here on button?
toddy,
in theory, the min-raise / push any flop line is ok... I just think that in actuality, what's gonna happen really often when you min-raise is either the BB is gonna push over top of you PF or he's gonna call and push any flop. Really that's the situation I'm trying to avoid - him shoving any flop, b/c that is just an awful situation on a LOT of flops. kickflip, maybe you get dealt A9s+ a lot more than the rest of the forum. if that's the case then by all means, fold. however for the majority of us who don't get dealt premium hands every third hand, i think folding is pretty ridiculous in this situation.
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#40
09-15-2006, 01:57 PM
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Re: $105+9. Do you absolutely have to push here on button?
what is sngpt?
hey, i'm willing to concede that it's a mistake not to push. but i also do not think that any decision in poker is a clear cut EVERY time move. it may be correct 99% of the time, but once in a blue moon, it might be right to fold. i don't believe in absolutes.
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