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Old 03-13-2007, 01:54 PM
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Default Re: Good spot to bluff?

Preflop is bad. I'd rather coldcall with 86o (which I do sometimes).

If you decide to coldcall with a crappy hand (like QJo or 86o) you must be willing to make a play postflop to resteal from the preflop raiser. When you resteal, it doesn't matter what 2 cards you hold since the hand doesn't go to showdown.

However, let's say the hand does get to showdown. This means you and your opponent both connected with the flop. When you connect with QJo you are often going to be dominated. Even if you flop a good hand like top 2, your opponent will often be stronger by showdown if he continues on a QJxxx board. So, your net winnings when going to showdown with QJo will likely be negative.

However, if you play a hand like 86o then you stand a much better chance of being ahead at showdown if you hold 2-pair or better. You will stack him easier on 86xxx or 975xxx boards with 86o than if you held QJ on a QJxxx or AKTxxx board. Why? Because there are waaayy more hands that will give action on the 86o boards than the QJo boards.
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: Good spot to bluff?

yes and what is going to give you action on a 975 board?
how about a 109K board? I turst myself to not play a big pot w/ tp if I flop it and I have position on my opponent
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Old 03-13-2007, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: Good spot to bluff?

I also trust myself to spell correctly but thats beside the point
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Old 03-13-2007, 02:09 PM
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yes and what is going to give you action on a 975 board?
how about a 109K board? I turst myself to not play a big pot w/ tp if I flop it and I have position on my opponent

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On a 975 board you will get action from 55-AA (while 66/88 might be discounted). Also, if he raises light then you can include A9s/K9s-T9s/98s/87s/76s/T8s....etc.....

But there are many other good boards for 86o because a board of T66 board will get less respect than a QQ7 board (for your QJ hand). Basically, hitting trip 6s or 8s is much more profitable than hitting trip Qs or Js.

KT9 is a dream flop and will get you plenty of action against his range. However, it is one of the only flops, along with AKT that will get you good action.
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Old 03-13-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: Good spot to bluff?

I missed the pair of the river. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 03-13-2007, 03:00 PM
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I didn't really know what to put you on, flop flat call was scary but you didn't know how strong I was so I went into a sorta c/c mode. I def think you should check behind because out ofn owhere! you have just got some showdown value lol. I'm assuming you would have folded to a river bet?


It's really weird reading the hand from the wrong way round, blooming confusing.
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Old 03-13-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: Good spot to bluff?

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Why? Because there are waaayy more hands that will give action on the 86o boards than the QJo boards.

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Are you sure about this?
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Old 03-13-2007, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: Good spot to bluff?

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Looks fine to me. I value bet $20 on river

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You think villain has TT/A9 often and decides to call here often enough?

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I agree with what sixhigh is implying here... i don't think he calls here often enough to value bet this. You played this exactly like a slowplayed K. A river bet is basically a bluff imo.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:18 PM
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He actually showed up w/ AA on the river fyi
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:36 PM
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i don't mind this.
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