$25NL 3 hands vs my Nemesis at table (44, AK, KK)

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #1 10-13-2007, 12:08 AM

Villain was my nemesis at this table. He limped a lot of crap, anything suited, and when he hit 2 pr he c/c until river. He would also c/c w/ tpwk, mp, bp, so basically I never new where I stood with him. Also, PAHUD was not working so I had no stats, although I am still learning how to use it so it really wouldn't matter.

Here are 3 hands vs him. How's my line?

Hand 1 - this was like the only hand he played aggressively from pf on... I new this but hated him...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($59.35)
CO ($17.75)
Button ($22.80)
SB ($24.50)
BB ($22.90)
UTG ($11.15)
Hero ($77.05)
MP1 ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($11.85) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4.

River: ($19.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: $19.85

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Hand 2 - villain in question folded on turn. Did I play too strong?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($9.65)
CO ($60.75)
Button ($24.40)
SB ($24.50)
BB ($14.80)
UTG ($13.15)
Hero ($66.95)
MP1 ($31.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, CO calls $1.25, Button calls $1.25, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($6.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5, Button folds, SB folds, UTG raises to $11.9, Hero calls $6.90, CO calls $6.90.

Turn: ($42.20) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $53.8 (All-In), CO folds.

River: ($42.20) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $40.15 I believe... converter messed up
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Hand 3

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UTG ($9.65)
UTG+1 ($45.85)
MP1 ($28.10)
MP2 ($25)
CO ($22.75)
Button ($14.45)
Hero ($93.45)
BB ($31.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Button calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1.25, Button calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG+1 calls $4, Button folds.

Turn: ($12.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG+1 calls $10.

River: ($32.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30.5, UTG+1 calls $30.35 (All-In).

Final Pot: $93.46

Chargers In 07 · #2 10-13-2007, 12:16 AM

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Hand 1 - this was like the only hand he played aggressively from pf on... I new this but hated him...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($59.35)
CO ($17.75)
Button ($22.80)
SB ($24.50)
BB ($22.90)
UTG ($11.15)
Hero ($77.05)
MP1 ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($11.85) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4.

River: ($19.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: $19.85

[/ QUOTE ]I was at the table for this hand and I thought it was pretty terrible. Nice long pause on the river to get him to check.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #3 10-13-2007, 12:20 AM

I was angry at myself for this hand... losing a lot of little pots to him got to me

xxrod17xx · #4 10-13-2007, 12:26 AM

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Hand 1 - this was like the only hand he played aggressively from pf on... I new this but hated him...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($59.35)
CO ($17.75)
Button ($22.80)
SB ($24.50)
BB ($22.90)
UTG ($11.15)
Hero ($77.05)
MP1 ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($11.85) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4.

River: ($19.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: $19.85

[/ QUOTE ]I was at the table for this hand and I thought it was pretty terrible. Nice long pause on the river to get him to check.

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I agree it seemed backwards to me on every street, y raise preflop if you aren't going to play the hand aggressive post flop? It is extremely -ev to play small pairs this way from EP.

Chargers In 07 · #5 10-13-2007, 12:31 AM

In hand 2 I'd just push the flop after the push by shorty.
In hand 3 I'd probably just c/c the river unless he'd call that big bet with a Jack which some terrible players would.

Also with overly loose players in general and deepstacks like you had it's ok to bet more preflop than the 4bb+1 more per limper because it's not like they're folding and it's easier to get money in post flop. Make it $2.50 - $3.50 and he probably still calls.

mr.bum · #6 10-13-2007, 08:00 AM

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In hand 2 I'd just push the flop after the push by shorty.

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u over bet shove 200 bigs into this pot with one pair? plz name one hand that calls you that we beat. every time i read something u post im not sure if its a level or not.

maso · #7 10-13-2007, 08:15 AM

hand 1 bit worried when a passive player starts betting just play for set value c/f flop.

hand 2 as played why blow villain off his hand just bet smaller around $10. You've got a side pot to fill don't force him to play correctly. Personally I would reraise in this spot on the flop to about $25-30.

hand 3 is fine take him to valuetown.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #8 10-13-2007, 08:22 AM

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In hand 2 I'd just push the flop after the push by shorty.
In hand 3 I'd probably just c/c the river unless he'd call that big bet with a Jack which some terrible players would.

Also with overly loose players in general and deepstacks like you had it's ok to bet more preflop than the 4bb+1 more per limper because it's not like they're folding and it's easier to get money in post flop. Make it $2.50 - $3.50 and he probably still calls.

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My point for all 3 hands is that I have no idea what villain had all game. Sometimes he was c/c w/ tp, mp, bp, 2 pr. I never new. Only once was he aggressive and that was the 44 hand. I knew that was bad, but let my anger [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] take control instead of folding. The KK hand I was again shocked to see what he had (luckily I won)

I guess the real question I need you all to answer is, am I risking too much of my stack on these hands, not knowing where I stand? I won 2 of 3 hands above, but that does not mean that I played the hands correctly. I am having trouble applying stack preservation to tptk and over pairs. In Sng's (my background) my AK, KK line is fine (my 44 line is terrible in SNG's too [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img])