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Old 09-30-2007, 12:14 AM
crushednuts crushednuts is offline
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Default NL 25... Best way to extract?

Villain has been playing 47/25/3 over 100 hands.
He has definitely been trying to "outplay" the table, making many suspect moves and showing down many sub par hands in large pots.
I thought about raising PF but the table likes to call and my chances of winning w/o a flop are almost zero therefore i opted to just call.
Obviously the only question on the flop is how to get all the money in given how deep we are w/ middle position player


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $64.75
BB: $22.35
UTG: $25.00
MP: $73.65
CO: $15.15
BTN: $25.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG checks, MP calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.75</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:20 AM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: NL 25... Best way to extract?

Re-raise to 9.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:23 AM
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Default Re: NL 25... Best way to extract?

What do you do if he calls followed by a bad turn card (spade pair the board etc)? Are we willing to go broke here given the villain? Do we lead a bad turn card or do we check?
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:26 AM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: NL 25... Best way to extract?

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What do you do if he calls followed by a bad turn card (spade pair the board etc)? Are we willing to go broke here given the villain? Do we lead a bad turn card or do we check?

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Probably bet/fold bad turns.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: NL 25... Best way to extract?

Definitely not dropping 2.5 buyins to a flush here.
If you 3bet the flop and he flats you, then a spade comes of, I'd bet the turn strongish so he won't make a move at me w/o the flush.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:50 AM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: NL 25... Best way to extract?

Versus a wild and unpredictable player like Villain, I want to try to get as much money as I can in on the flop, before the turn brings another spade (which I would hate) or pairs the board (which I wouldn't be happy about but wouldn't mind as much).

What does suck though is that if Villain is the kind of player who's determined to win every pot -- and it sounds like he is -- then he is going to have some folding equity against me on bad turns since we're so deep. So there will be those times when I end up building a pot on the flop for Villain to steal from me on a spade turn. (I mean, he won't always have the flush when he makes a big bet or raise on the turn, but he often will, and that's the problem.)

And as a FWIW, I am really hesitant to bet-fold a turn scare card against this guy. I would probably check instead and try to get to showdown. But if he's the kind to bluff big, I'm not sure you would have any good options, really.
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