Question on raising/"one chip rule"

[PantsOnFire]

The single chip rule obviously doesn not apply here. I would rule it a raise, just the same as throwing out 10 $1 chips. I think you have to say "call" before doing this if that is your intention.

But I would rule it a call if the first player had raised to $7 since he did not reach the min-raise amount.

[jdeane]

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But I think I've seen this happen in 1/2 games several times, and it is always assumed to be a call without anyone even noticing that it could be a raise.


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This is because in most 1/2 games no one raises to 6 or 10, its usually 12-15 to go preflop.

I agree with the way we are re-painting the one-chip rule to include multiple chips. It has been hard enough in these home games for everyone to understand the one-chip rule as it stands now to try and add another level to it.

I wish everyone would just declare "raise" when they want to raise.

[PokerDealerSTL]

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1/2 NL game:
First player raises to $6
Second player throws out two red ($5) chips without saying anything.
Is this a call or a raise to $10?

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I dont see how this is a call. 1/2 blinds, first raise is 4 more to 6 total. Player throws out 10 which is 4 more (the minimum raise allowable). Dealer should announce "raise to 10" and if the player says "no, it's just a call" before any action takes place, then it's a call. Otherwise, the bet is 100% correct for the minimum raise. It's not 1 chip and the 1 chip rule has virtually nothing to do with 2 chips being thrown in at the same time.

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The thing about this rule is that the bet should never be unclear to the table. You should never have to ask a player if he is raising or calling unless he mumbles something and you are unclear on what he said. Throwing two five dollar chips out makes it unclear and as a poster said before, you go with the least aggressive action.

However, if you throw out a red, and five white you have a raise every time. Because you are making it crystal clear that you are intending to make it ten dollars straight.

[TMTTR]

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The single chip rule obviously doesn not apply here. I would rule it a raise, just the same as throwing out 10 $1 chips. I think you have to say "call" before doing this if that is your intention.


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Throwing out 10 $1 chips is obviously a raise because it can't be anything else. When there is ambiguity due to the "last significant chip" being oversized, it is a call.

Maybe it should be called the "last significant chip rule"?

Nah... not catchy enough.

[Mike Gallo]

In any casino I have played in Atlantic City, the dealers would consider this a call.

[1huskerfan]

Actually it is not the same as throwing at 10 $1 chips. 6 whites would be sufficient to call so the 4 extras are an obvious raise. One red still doesn't complete the call, so the extra chip is ambiguous. Every card room I have played in has ruled it this way.

[Javanewt]

Interesting:

over-sized chip rule

(n phrase) The rule, enforced in many cardrooms, that, when responding to action, a player puts into the pot a single chip or bill with a denomination larger than the bet indicated at that juncture, but does not announce a raise, that player's action is ruled to have been only a call. The over-sized chip or bill rule also applies when more than one chip is necessary to call a bet, but the last chip might be construed as a raise. The preceding applies to all rounds in limit games. In no-limit games, on the first round, the opening bet made with an over-sized chip or bill on the first round is considered a call of the bring-in amount; on any succeeding round, the first bet is equal to the size of over-sized chip or bill, unless an announcement to the contrary is made....

Found here: http://www.planetpoker.com/games/dictionary/

[PantsOnFire]

I have not seen a rule on this. I have only heard of the one chip rule for a large denomination chip. If there is some two chip rule, I'd like to see it. Is there a three chip rule?

As far as I know, if you put chips over the line with no verbal declaration, then that's your action. If it's a single large chip it's a call. If it's more than one chip, it's the total amount of the two to one million chips you put into the pot.

[PantsOnFire]

Would anyone's answer change if the second player had enough one dollar chips in his stack?

[PokerDealerSTL]

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Would anyone's answer change if the second player had enough one dollar chips in his stack?

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Nope... again the dealer should not have to guess what the players intentions are, no matter what kind of color is in a players stack. Every place I have ever seen (and I have been all over) would rule this the same way if the floor person came over and had to make a decision.

Now I am not saying that there are house rules that change this, but I would say at least 99 percent of casinos rule it a call if you throw two five dollar chips in when it is six to go.