AQ vs. 3 plyrs, no read

Julio · #1 09-22-2007, 07:07 PM

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (9.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

1. I thought I made the approrpaite preflop raise
2. I was uncomfortable with that board, the bet and the raise, and the number of players that were in the pot. But with 9 outs to the nuts, I made the appropriate call considering the pot odds.
3. Booya, hit the Ace. I do concede that on the flop (considering the board) I was looking for another spade, not an Ace or a Queen. Again, on the turn, considering the pot odds I felt the call was appropriate.
4. Alrite, no spade. but with 10.50 big blinds already into the pot, I can't lay this hand down. MP2 can have a hand like an Ace and the jack or queen of spades.

input now!

Buzz-cp · #2 09-22-2007, 07:16 PM

3bet flop--nobody is going anywhere, and you are 34% to make your flush by the river.

I think there could be an argument for raising the turn, as any incorrect decision is softened by the fact that you will make the best hand on the river a good amount of time.

River call is OK as you haven't really defined your hand to villain.

edit: hero is 3-betting flop / not capping...

Xylocain · #3 09-22-2007, 07:16 PM

:g:

Re-raise flop, you have tons of equity from your (weak OCs), a BDSD and A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and there are 4 people in.

Raise turn, you probably have the best hand and you have redraws to the nuts if you dont.

Call river.

OziBattler · #4 09-22-2007, 07:17 PM

what happened to BB on the turn? is he all in?

Julio · #5 09-22-2007, 07:20 PM

yeah, bb is all-in. converter didnt show it for some reason

ReidDeCardes · #6 09-22-2007, 07:40 PM

* Grunch *

pf - raise is correct

flop - good

turn - What happened to BB? He check/raised flop but folded turn? Did he check/fold? Only 2 bets are added between turn and river so I am assuming he folded. If so, then I raise turn.

river - as played I call

KyndGroove · #7 09-22-2007, 07:58 PM

PF raise is standard.

Raise the flop.

As played raise the turn, esp. w/ BB allin. You'll often have the best hand already and still have a great draw if you need it.

I guess just calling on the river is okay. It's kind of hard to know where you stand since you didn't raise the flop or turn.

Julio · #8 09-22-2007, 08:00 PM

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (9.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 has 4c 4d (three of a kind, fours).
Hero has Qc As (one pair, aces).
BB has Qs 2h (high card, ace).
Outcome: MP2 wins 11.25 BB. 

Thanks for the input guys. I know I made the right decision on every street except the river. But it ultimately came down to, do I think this guy flopped a flush? I thought it unlikely. But I did felt that I was beat. But I guess the big question is..

1. Considering the way the hand was played, considering I am only against 1 player, considering the size of the pot, was it correct to call that bet despite having the feeling that your beat?

input please

Julio · #9 09-22-2007, 08:02 PM

kyndgroove also made an excellent point in using the raise and the re-raise on the flop and turn just to see where your at. but why put more money in a put your not sure of, esp. if u dunno if the pot will get that big to justify it

what do ya'll think

Smurph64 · #10 09-22-2007, 08:03 PM

pop the turn find out if he has the flush or not.

likely not and you get to see the river for free if he calls and still have a draw if he 3 bets.