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03-07-2007, 01:23 AM
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AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
Since WPX hand histories suck, I can't make them a word document without a lot of work (lol documents) and there is no converter for WPX I'm just going to post this hand by itself.
He knows who I am; I know who he is. He's played well so far and hasn't gotten out of line at all. His preflop range seems about right (he'll threebet legit hands and throw in some others). Never calls OTB, ect. He seems to play the big streets especially well. If he's making any errors, he is not putting in that extra bet once in a while. I'm running really well and have him stuck about a buy in. Because of this, he might think I'm slightly laggier than your normal good 1/2 HU player (which is probably true). Anyway the hand: He raises OTB. I 3-bet A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I bet. He calls. Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Bet. Call. River: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I Bet. He raises. I threebet. He four-bets. I fold. Final pot was 13 BB. 
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#2
03-07-2007, 01:35 AM
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Re: AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
I don't specialize in limit, and I understand your thinking here that he is definitely not bluffing, but are you sure he isn't going to make this move with AK or a slightly worse K? But given the read that he is completely straightforward or whatever, I guess this is fine. I dunno, 90% of my HU play is NL, so I'm a donk here and call for the odds. He really can't be chasing with overs here and just tied you or hit KQ? He's a different kind of LHE player than most I have played then.
btw I think the final pot is actually 7 BBs isn't it? Maybe it was 14 small bets, minus one for rake? Oh or wait nm, you mean 14 big blinds, I was thinking BB=big bet. p.s. bonus points for how you played the hand if you just folded air here but posted that you had AK knowing he'll see this and start trying to checkraise you off TPTK on every river.
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#3
03-07-2007, 01:50 AM
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Re: AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
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btw I think the final pot is actually 7 BBs isn't it? Maybe it was 14 small bets, minus one for rake? Oh or wait nm, you mean 14 big blinds, I was thinking BB=big bet. [/ QUOTE ] he put in 5 BB plus my 4 BB plus 4 BB total between us preflop and postflop.
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#4
03-07-2007, 02:03 AM
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Re: AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
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[ QUOTE ] btw I think the final pot is actually 7 BBs isn't it? Maybe it was 14 small bets, minus one for rake? Oh or wait nm, you mean 14 big blinds, I was thinking BB=big bet. [/ QUOTE ] he put in 5 BB plus my 4 BB plus 4 BB total between us preflop and postflop. [/ QUOTE ] Hmm yeah, I dunno, I guess I read the HH before you fixed it, it seems different now, I'm too confused to read it another few times and figure it out haha. But also I don't think my previous comments really stand, because I don't think you had him 4-betting the river in the OP, and my comments were based on him just checkraising you on the river. So ignore my post.
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#5
03-07-2007, 02:39 AM
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Re: AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
jjh,
i'd rather check/raise this river and just call a three-bet. if you're going to bet, i don't three-bet because i'd hate to fold TPTK here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#6
03-07-2007, 02:49 AM
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Re: AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
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jjh, i'd rather check/raise this river and just call a three-bet. if you're going to bet, i don't three-bet because i'd hate to fold TPTK here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'm not expecting him to bet when I check to him very often on this particular river. If he was more aggressive, I'd like check/raise/calling a lot more. Do you like b/c or c/r more? Oh yeah, I'm an effing idiot regarding hand histories. Don't know how I effed that one up so bad.
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#7
03-07-2007, 01:47 AM
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Re: AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
this hand seems all [censored] up.
are you BB? if so why is he checking the flop, etc? if your question is: should you bet/fold TPTK on this river, i don't think i like it. maybe there's something i don't see or the order makes sense or something but i dunno. bbbushu
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#8
03-07-2007, 01:54 AM
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Re: AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
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this hand seems all [censored] up. are you BB? if so why is he checking the flop, etc? if your question is: should you bet/fold TPTK on this river, i don't think i like it. maybe there's something i don't see or the order makes sense or something but i dunno. bbbushu [/ QUOTE ] Your right. Fixed.
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#9
03-07-2007, 09:06 PM
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Re: AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
You should have just called his initial raise on the River.
Think about it, if he was playing particularly laggy enough to Raise/Cap a 1 pair hand on this River, he would have found a raise somewhere on the other streets as a semi-bluff, particularly the Flop. Usually the C/C/Raise line is used with a particulary strong hand to gain maximum value against an aggressive, but wary opponent. 3-betting was a mistake, and 3-betting with the intention of folding to a Cap is a nightmare mistake. In these huge pots against likely tricky players, choose the option that will get you to showdown. That means check-calling a lot of mediocre hands, and not doing stuff like this. The pot is already 9BBs when he raises you, is missing an extra valuebet going to hurt you? Especially if getting capped means you have to fold in a 13BB pot?
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#10
03-07-2007, 10:37 PM
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Re: AK hand played against a 2+2er (LIMCASH)
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Think about it, if he was playing particularly laggy enough to Raise/Cap a 1 pair hand on this River, he would have found a raise somewhere on the other streets as a semi-bluff, particularly the Flop. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think he's laggy enough to cap the river with less than one pair, which is why i folded to the cap. I don't think you understand the gulf between what his river raise means and what his cap means. [ QUOTE ] Usually the C/C/Raise line is used with a particulary strong hand to gain maximum value against an aggressive, but wary opponent. [/ QUOTE ] Usually a good villian will use this line on non-drawy boards with a very strong hand. This flop is draw heavy. I'm not saying he never has a hand like a set here because this villian is certainly good enough to balance his range, but that kind of hand has to be discounted given the flop texture. On this kind of board its more likely that he has some sort of weak SD type hand and that the king improved him on the end (king high and a pair of 2s both qualify as weak SD type hands). [ QUOTE ] That means check-calling a lot of mediocre hands, and not doing stuff like this. [/ QUOTE ] TPTK is not a mediocre hand, especially HU. [ QUOTE ] The pot is already 9BBs when he raises you, is missing an extra valuebet going to hurt you? [/ QUOTE ] Yes it does hurt me. It is important to valuebet relentlessly in large pots, especially against good players.
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