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Old 11-29-2007, 01:54 AM
b33nz b33nz is offline
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Default flop shove with mid pair

villain is LAG, often 3 betting light. i stacked him once already when he 3 bet a SC and went all in with it on the flop with just a FD and undercards. his range is very wide here, but i think i still could get him to fold anything lower than QJo (like A9, TT, JT, and most likely straight/flush draws etc..)


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BB: $501.50
Hero (SB): $1,109.50

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $36</font>, Hero calls $24

Flop: ($72) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $72</font>, <font color="red">Hero shoves</font>
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: flop shove with mid pair

Umm, call?
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:31 AM
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Default Re: flop shove with mid pair

Is pot standard for him? I probably call if I choose to raise 180 is way better than all in.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:32 AM
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Default Re: flop shove with mid pair

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Old 11-29-2007, 04:38 AM
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Default Re: flop shove with mid pair

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Old 11-29-2007, 04:44 AM
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Default Re: flop shove with mid pair

It seems you a little too deep here and a shove is awkward though by no means bad. His pot bet is annoying and will make it tough to call and play poker.. but I think that's what I'd usually do. 100bb's, I'd shove all day.
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:23 AM
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Default Re: flop shove with mid pair

I don't get it, why not just call the flop? Or bet/call a push if you must. I think shoving gets us AI with the hands that have us killed, and gets the random draws we don't mind being AI against to fold.

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Old 11-29-2007, 06:01 AM
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I don't get it, why not just call the flop? Or bet/call a push if you must. I think shoving gets us AI with the hands that have us killed, and gets the random draws we don't mind being AI against to fold.

Disclaimer: I don't play HU Cash

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It's more of 3 bet pot theory than specific to hu cash. If he's 3 betting light and betting heavy on the flop, we can be calling lighter and shoving hands with decent equity against his calling range because we'll have higher fold equity when his range is wider.

HU, it's a little more flow dynamic though and a shove against a decent player is a little more transparent. I would rather call here and play postflop.
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