QQ vs scary preflop action

[Crispy Bacon]

Villain is 20/15. Standard right?

Pacific Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.5/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $99.5
CO: $98
Hero: $207.34
SB: $89.33
BB: $20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $4</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $12</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $24</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($49.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $31</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $183.34</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($49.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $49.5)


River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($49.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $49.5)


Results:
Final pot: $196.50

[jordiepop]

i would def call pf but proceed cautiously with that min raise... that being said i dont think a shove is good here... id use position and just call on the flop

[AllIn3High]

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i would def call pf but proceed cautiously with that min raise... that being said i dont think a shove is good here... id use position and just call on the flop

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And do what? Fold turn? Not necessarily disagreeing, but we're gonna be faced with a big turn bet most of the time.

[andy7]

Agreed, fold flop or get it in, villain dependent.

[kaby]

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that being said i dont think a shove is good here... id use position and just call on the flop

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to do what? when you call pot will be 110$ with 50$ effective stack :/


just shove, if you fold this flop i don't see why you'd call pf

[jc1418]

I cant imagine this being worse than AhKh or a better pair vs. a villain with those stats. I prob call pre and fold flop

[Ranma4703]

You are never ahead when that push is called, I'm probably set mining with QQ here.

[shpanko]

You don't have odds to set mine, either shove pf, or if you're calling it should be to shove non A/K flops. Folding pf wouldn't be terrible without history, since a TAG UTG is rarely small 4-betting a worse hand here if you haven't been 3-betting him light. As played shoving flop or shoving pf is the way to go.

[Gesangsverein]

I fold to his 4-bet min-raise preflop(!!!) unless I know villain is doing this with hands like AK/medium pockets/b***s****...
I might call for set value if villain is deep though.

[Ranma4703]

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You don't have odds to set mine, either shove pf, or if you're calling it should be to shove non A/K flops. Folding pf wouldn't be terrible without history, since a TAG UTG is rarely small 4-betting a worse hand here if you haven't been 3-betting him light. As played shoving flop or shoving pf is the way to go.

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My bad, I thought they both had 200$. Fold preflop, even though it hurts. If this guy is 4betting light, you'll know it soon enough.