2,5 NL Sueeze gone wrong,...nut lowing it....with odds?

[rand]

so this game is pretty crazy and the guy to my left is razing a lot in position, not necc a bad thing...but like the whole table calls with just about any two pre


button is @ the 10 seat
hero limps 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the 8 seat
villain #1 in the 9 seat makes it 25 (LOOSE PASSIVE)
villain #2 in calls from the SB (TIGHT PASSIVE)
bb and 4 other limpers call

back around to me with $150 out there, HERO MAKES IT 150
villains 1 and 2 call

FLOP: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
($450 = pot)

villain #2 checks hero thinks for a little while and checks (at this point i dont really know what villain #2 has but its prolly AK or QQ, maybe KK and rarely AA) i am however pretty sure, based on the flat call by villain #1, that he has ak and occasionally JJ or QQ and rarely KK, he deff 4bets AA and prolly KK too

eff stacks are right around $850 pre flop

neither villains are folding AK if I open shove but both villains may check it down, or at least on the flop, the problem with this is while both villains fold their non AK hands to my shove, if i check i have almost no FE by the time we get to the river, assuming i miss, a bet would get looked up by KK and maybe QQ, the only chance I would have there wuold be an overbet shove

anyway back to the hand, villain #1 bets 300, villain #2 folds, HERO ?? keep in mind the pot is now $750 and hero has 700 behind

options are, imo, call>shove>folding
for the simple reasons that, A. villain is never bluffing (aka never folding to a shove) but may check turn behind if my call looks strong

anyway thoughts about the whole hand appreciated, except dont say just open fold pre, cause that is A. lame and B. wrong

[DrMagic]

rofl

[sokiraJ]

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dont say just open fold pre, cause that is A. lame and B. wrong

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Why?

Why limp-reraise (if im reading the action correctly) with 23s when the table is full of maniac calling stations?

[rand]

stations for an open raise, for a 3bet they are not loose, unless one does it, then its a chain reaction

[xSCWx]

FOLD PREFLOP, ALL IN ON FLOP

[David1234]

u really don't need to be getting involved here in the first place, I would just fold to the raise, but I think on the flop you have to go all in.

[KRS ONE]

Flops dont get much better than that, get it in and swim in all that dead money.

[Black winter day]

Allin and it's not even close

[atrainpsu]

This is closer than you guys are saying. Villain almost never folds and sometimes will check behind on turn. If villain is a call station, why bet the draw when you can possibly get it cheaper and still get paid if you hit it?
I still like pushing just in case you have some fold equity, but it's close. I'm gonna try to run some numbers on this and see what I come up with.

[vancouverspecial]

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rofl

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