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Over 55% winning 12 15.79%
50.1%- 54.9% 26 34.21%
45%- 50% 23 30.26%
Under 45% 15 19.74%
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Old 06-29-2007, 11:32 AM
AcidKnight AcidKnight is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

That board is getting worse and worse for any overpair. If he does have a hand like AA and does CRAI, we still have probably 20 outs. If he has a big flush draw, then we just took the lead and want to get money into the pot.

I think betting $750 or $800 and calling a push is the best plan. Pushing is almost as good. The odds of him paying us on the river if he has an overpair and we improve are very remote. All of the value from this hand should come from getting our chips in on the turn.
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Old 06-29-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

Shoving>checking>betting. No?
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Old 06-29-2007, 12:42 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

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Shoving>checking>betting. No?

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I think it's gotta be Shoving>Betting>checking.

Even if he has an overpair, we have 20 outs and are flipping coins with one card to come. Unless he's already got a straight, set or 2 pair (really unlikely) then we want money going into the pot here. We have HUGE equity over his range with the money already in the pot and we still have FE against many hands that currently beat us.

I think checking is by far the worst option here.
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Old 06-29-2007, 12:43 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

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You really need a read on someone that they'll fold JJ/QQ before firing is preferable to checking.

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Old 06-29-2007, 01:33 PM
Kala1928 Kala1928 is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

Nobody bets 100 here on the flop with an overpair, so we can somewhat safely assume villain does not have a strong overpair.
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Old 06-29-2007, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

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Shoving>checking>betting. No?

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I think it's gotta be Shoving>Betting>checking.

Even if he has an overpair, we have 20 outs and are flipping coins with one card to come. Unless he's already got a straight, set or 2 pair (really unlikely) then we want money going into the pot here. We have HUGE equity over his range with the money already in the pot and we still have FE against many hands that currently beat us.

I think checking is by far the worst option here.

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lol? this is terrible
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Old 06-29-2007, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

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Shoving>checking>betting. No?

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I think it's gotta be Shoving>Betting>checking.

Even if he has an overpair, we have 20 outs and are flipping coins with one card to come. Unless he's already got a straight, set or 2 pair (really unlikely) then we want money going into the pot here. We have HUGE equity over his range with the money already in the pot and we still have FE against many hands that currently beat us.

I think checking is by far the worst option here.

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lol? this is terrible

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Soah, do you care to explain??
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Old 06-29-2007, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

shoving seems better than bet/calling If you shove you might be able to push him off the 8 too. I think hes more likely to c/r all in on turn with the 8 than he is to check/ call his whole stack. which is why checking behind on turn might be the 2nd best option

Shoving>checking>bet/calling
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Old 06-29-2007, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

shove.
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Old 06-29-2007, 04:48 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 Monster Draw

I'm checking here, but betting is fine. I like a standard bet greater than a push.
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