WSOP PLO8 hand

[wiseheart]

Congrats on the cash btw.

I think there is always Fold Equity, even in this situation, it might only happen 1/1000 times but I think it is there. Hehe, if it was online then you would also have that chance that they disconnected there after you push, that happened to some poor sap in MTT yesterday against me.

[MoistToes]

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he is playing starting quality hands.

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I would have folded your hand pre-flop and waited for a better spot.

[TomG]

Those advocating any other than a pre-flop push are either 1) joking 2) wrong. This is really a very simple hand. Pushing pre-flop is the simplest solution. But given you just called pre-flop, calling all-in on the flop is standard. You have at least 33% equity against his range of hands. More than likely you are a slight favorite to around 50/50. Bottom line, you're playing ultra short stacked PLO8. With this structure, big edges pre-flop or on the flop are rare. You're going to have to gamble. So either re-pot pre-flop when you are a slight favorite or take the overlay that is being offered on the flop. Both options are +EV.

[gergery]

super-easy reraise preflop. i don't understand why this is being discussed

[Truthiness24]

It's being discussed because I wasn't convinced. Obviously, the choices preflop are

1. Reraise.
2. Call.
3. Fold.

If you put the range of SB on a steal to any significant %, then it is an easy reraise. But I did not: SB played super tight, he had enough chips to go at least another orbit without being forced to push, and I only saw him turn over good hands. He didn't "have" to PFR here, and a steal only picks him up a BB -- not much reward for the risk, and he's OOP, and I don't think that he would allow me that on a pure steal.

Given that he was holding A2xx to a high percentage, it looks like a coin flip situation. I am not sure that I want a coin flip at this point in the tourney: as stated above, there may be better spots to push that are still out there. But I have a large chip advantage over SB, and it will hurt but not cripple me to lose a race. Also, there are only so many opportunities I am going to get with the blind pressure as it is. So at the time I thought that folding was out.

If I reraise, I commit myself to a race. Even though I figure the fold equity is less than 1%, it is still a mathematically correct play. It is also the more aggressive play which is always more desirable. But if I do that, I waive my positional advantage. So reraising is optimal but perhaps not exclusively optimal.

The call allowed me the latitude to get away from a 345 flop or other mess. There are very few flops on which I fold, but I wanted that option. I thought it was a given that SB would push on the flop. But it is a very weak play, and I don't think I'd do it again.

It is worth noting that all of the chips were going in anyway -- it's just a matter of when.

In retrospect, folding may have been right as well but that is just too mousey. The race is still +EV whether I get it all in before the flop or after.