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11-10-2007, 11:24 PM
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Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] will usually result in you getting the money in bad the majority of the time you get it in. [/ QUOTE ] thats just so wrong in this hand. [/ QUOTE ] not really - unless you are talking about something very villain specific. why do i click on these threads thinking they will be good [/ QUOTE ] its partys 3/6 and its a resqueeze vs someone that likes to squeeze a lot. if this is very villain specific, so be it. @ luicid: im not disagreeing that 4betting smaller might be good to induce, however, vs some villains, betting larger accomplishes the same. i still struggle to see how i can bluff-4bet in this spot with 100bb. unless its 82o, we will almost always get the odds to call cause villain is shoving wide. 
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#42
11-10-2007, 11:25 PM
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Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
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so ur saying that if you 4bet to 300 or 370 like you said you would, that he is going to be sticking the money in here w/ worse than AQ often? find a HH where you have put over half your stack in on a 4bet 100bb deep w/ AQ and he's shown up w/ something worse like AJ, KJ, etc... [/ QUOTE ] Right. So basically when I put in a biggish 4bet, I'm at the guy's mercy. He knows I can't ever fold, so he can value-shove. He can get away easily from anything else.
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#43
11-10-2007, 11:25 PM
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Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
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given your reads that he loves to squeeze, I like the 4 bet/call plan. I make it alot smaller though, like $210. Against normal tags read less I muck pf As played, you have to call given the price [/ QUOTE ] before or after 4betting?
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#44
11-10-2007, 11:26 PM
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Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
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[ QUOTE ] so ur saying that if you 4bet to 300 or 370 like you said you would, that he is going to be sticking the money in here w/ worse than AQ often? find a HH where you have put over half your stack in on a 4bet 100bb deep w/ AQ and he's shown up w/ something worse like AJ, KJ, etc... [/ QUOTE ] Right. So basically when I put in a biggish 4bet, I'm at the guy's mercy. He knows I can't ever fold, so he can value-shove. He can get away easily from anything else. [/ QUOTE ] point is, he will be valueshoving worse. i will back this up with some handhistories tomorrow.
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#45
11-10-2007, 11:29 PM
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Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] so ur saying that if you 4bet to 300 or 370 like you said you would, that he is going to be sticking the money in here w/ worse than AQ often? find a HH where you have put over half your stack in on a 4bet 100bb deep w/ AQ and he's shown up w/ something worse like AJ, KJ, etc... [/ QUOTE ] Right. So basically when I put in a biggish 4bet, I'm at the guy's mercy. He knows I can't ever fold, so he can value-shove. He can get away easily from anything else. [/ QUOTE ] point is, he will be valueshoving worse. i will back this up with some handhistories tomorrow. [/ QUOTE ] and so will you. you can't honestly tell me that you are pot-shoving with AQ and getting called by KQ a large portion of the time without 4 bet potting with KQ, 88, air, etc.
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#46
11-10-2007, 11:35 PM
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Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] so ur saying that if you 4bet to 300 or 370 like you said you would, that he is going to be sticking the money in here w/ worse than AQ often? find a HH where you have put over half your stack in on a 4bet 100bb deep w/ AQ and he's shown up w/ something worse like AJ, KJ, etc... [/ QUOTE ] Right. So basically when I put in a biggish 4bet, I'm at the guy's mercy. He knows I can't ever fold, so he can value-shove. He can get away easily from anything else. [/ QUOTE ] point is, he will be valueshoving worse. i will back this up with some handhistories tomorrow. [/ QUOTE ] ugh, this thread is wearing me out. even if you can find these hands it doesn't mean you played them right. it just means you found some random idiot that can't fold ATs pf no matter what. and if you can actually find a hand vs a good player that 5bet shoved worse than AQ w/ 0 FE then he was either on monkey tilt or you have been 4bet repotting it w/ garbage enough to make him do this, in which case you are playing those hands unprofitably as well.
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#48
11-10-2007, 11:38 PM
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Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
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[ QUOTE ] given your reads that he loves to squeeze, I like the 4 bet/call plan. I make it alot smaller though, like $210. Against normal tags read less I muck pf As played, you have to call given the price [/ QUOTE ] before or after 4betting? [/ QUOTE ] before ldo
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#49
11-10-2007, 11:58 PM
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Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
$180/snap call, and lol come on man these are painful to read.
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