Politicians For and Against Online Poker, August 29, 2007 - Page 11

sevencard2003 · #**101** 11-06-2007, 11:32 PM

not much different than the letters i got from senator roberts and brownback which i posted here on 2+2

TheEngineer · #**102** 11-08-2007, 05:55 PM

The study bill has two new cosponsors, Rep. Bobby Scott (D-VA) and Rep. Henry C. "Hank" Johnson Jr. [D-GA], bringing the number of cosponsors up to 66. Rep. Scott is cosponsoring IGREA as well; he remains "A" rated. Rep. Johnson moves from "?" to B.

TheEngineer · #**103** 11-08-2007, 06:02 PM

House Summary (11/8/07):

..................... Dem.....Rep
with us............112......15
neutral............109......72
against us.........17.....113

whangarei · #**104** 11-09-2007, 06:23 AM

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House Summary (11/8/07):

..................... Dem.....Rep
with us............112......15
neutral............109......72
against us.........17.....113

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Nice statistics to counter those Republicans who come on here every so often saying anti-IG legislation is not a partisan thing (at least on the federal level).

TheEngineer · #**105** 11-09-2007, 10:43 AM

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House Summary (11/8/07):

..................... Dem.....Rep
with us............112......15
neutral............109......72
against us.........17.....113

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Nice statistics to counter those Republicans who come on here every so often saying anti-IG legislation is not a partisan thing (at least on the federal level).

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Thanks. Until I did the first iteration of this, we really had no data showing the partisan divide. The extent of it was eye-opening, for sure.

DeadMoneyDad · #**106** 11-09-2007, 10:53 AM

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House Summary (11/8/07):

..................... Dem.....Rep
with us............112......15
neutral............109......72
against us.........17.....113

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Nice statistics to counter those Republicans who come on here every so often saying anti-IG legislation is not a partisan thing (at least on the federal level).

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Thanks. Until I did the first iteration of this, we really had no data showing the partisan divide. The extent of it was eye-opening, for sure.

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IMO this is indeed partly due to political philsophies but I feel it can be overcome by a slight change in our overall strategy.

For example in our meeting with Tom Davis' (R-VA-11th District) staffer, the freedom and skills case was getting no traction. When the discussion changed to the billions of new tax revenue and uncollected existing taxes ANNUALLY, in fact made even more difficult to collect by the UIGEA I felt and noticed a change in the staffer's attention to the overall discussion.

Just a thought,

D$D

TheEngineer · #**107** 11-09-2007, 10:59 AM

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House Summary (11/8/07):

..................... Dem.....Rep
with us............112......15
neutral............109......72
against us.........17.....113

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Nice statistics to counter those Republicans who come on here every so often saying anti-IG legislation is not a partisan thing (at least on the federal level).

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Thanks. Until I did the first iteration of this, we really had no data showing the partisan divide. The extent of it was eye-opening, for sure.

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IMO this is indeed partly due to political philsophies but I feel it can be overcome by a slight change in our overall strategy.

For example in our meeting with Tom Davis' (R-VA-11th District) staffer, the freedom and skills case was getting no traction. When the discussion changed to the billions of new tax revenue and uncollected existing taxes ANNUALLY, in fact made even more difficult to collect by the UIGEA I felt and noticed a change in the staffer's attention to the overall discussion.

Just a thought,

D$D

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I think a lot of it is also driven by the opposition of social conservative organization to any gaming. Dems aren't nearly as concerned about their Christian Coalition ratings as Republicans are. Hopefully we can show these reps that the social conservatives aren't as strong as they like to make themselves appear to be.

DeadMoneyDad · #**108** 11-09-2007, 12:25 PM

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I think a lot of it is also driven by the opposition of social conservative organization to any gaming. Dems aren't nearly as concerned about their Christian Coalition ratings as Republicans are. Hopefully we can show these reps that the social conservatives aren't as strong as they like to make themselves appear to be.

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Well we'll never get those deeply entrenched who owe those groups their political lives. Even Reps like Davis will never be co-sponsors.

But there are plenty like Davis who if shown for example like GB and New Zealand that regualted gaming is the only solution that really provides help to those adversely affected from problem gaming and add to that a new revenue stream we have a better chance of getting over the top, IMO.

Right now we have a pretty clear idea of who is with us and who will oppose us to the end. We're at the fun hard part. We get to play in the middle.

The middle is also where the action really is as it is there that we have the most leverage politically if we are a real force.

D$D

TheEngineer · #**109** 11-09-2007, 02:12 PM

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I think a lot of it is also driven by the opposition of social conservative organization to any gaming. Dems aren't nearly as concerned about their Christian Coalition ratings as Republicans are. Hopefully we can show these reps that the social conservatives aren't as strong as they like to make themselves appear to be.

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Well we'll never get those deeply entrenched who owe those groups their political lives. Even Reps like Davis will never be co-sponsors.

But there are plenty like Davis who if shown for example like GB and New Zealand that regualted gaming is the only solution that really provides help to those adversely affected from problem gaming and add to that a new revenue stream we have a better chance of getting over the top, IMO.

Right now we have a pretty clear idea of who is with us and who will oppose us to the end. We're at the fun hard part. We get to play in the middle.

The middle is also where the action really is as it is there that we have the most leverage politically if we are a real force.

D$D

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Agree. If we give folks like Davis enough reasons to back our proposals, we may get movement from opposition to neutrality. For example, the anti-gaming movement has (mostly) moved away from advocating prohibition of all gaming to resisting expanded gaming. This is a pragmatic position on their part. Hopefully poker can get included under this umbrella of pragmatism via things like what you mentioned.

Uglyowl · #**110** 11-10-2007, 01:48 AM

Two more Republicans announced their retirements today. Cubin was in a rough spot if she ran, but Saxton had been a long term Congressmen who probably would have been safe. That's another seat that the Republicans need to defend.

Barbara Cubin (F* R-WY) set to retire

Jim Saxton (?- R-NJ) to retire