Going to war with KK preflop

jesse8888 · #1 06-20-2007, 01:33 PM

Playing $6.50 or $12 turbos on Full Tilt, could you ever fold KK pf in the first round without a read? If so, under what circumstances? If not, have you ever had a read strong enough to lay down such a monstrosity?

I got stacked with KK twice last night in the first round, all in pre-flop both times, once against AA and once against AKs. Both times I opened in EP for ~3BB, was roughly pot raised by the button, potted back to around 750, then called his all in with 3:1 odds. Trying to avoid this situation is impossible/-ev right?

DLKeeper1 · #2 06-20-2007, 01:37 PM

Your sample size (2 hands) is obviously way too small. Don't be results oriented. In low stakes turbo SNGs KK is almost never a fold at level 1 IMO.

AMT · #3 06-20-2007, 01:40 PM

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Playing $6.50 or $12 turbos on Full Tilt, could you ever fold KK pf in the first round without a read?

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no. never.

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If so, under what circumstances? If not, have you ever had a read strong enough to lay down such a monstrosity?

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not in a sit and go.

mortimo · #4 06-20-2007, 01:42 PM

Be happy to get it in every time..They love to do this with JJ+,AQ+ (sometimes wider)
Post some hands, and don`t forget stats/reads

jesse8888 · #5 06-20-2007, 01:49 PM

I understand my sample size is way too small to draw conclusions (I've also obviously left out numerous hands where I stacked QQ with my KK preflop). I just wanted to get some opinions on my whether my current thinking (get it all in every single time) is the right thing to do.

Thanks as usual for the advice.

hoyasaxa · #6 06-20-2007, 01:58 PM

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In low stakes turbo SNGs KK is never a fold at level 1 IMO.

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fyp

Deewhizzle · #7 06-20-2007, 03:02 PM

the only time i could get away from this had pre flop is if I had a 100% positive read on the other player that they had aces. which will not happen. Pf if he just has A-anything, he is dead to 3 outs. i just cant see folding here ever. later rounds maybe, post flop you could get away but pre-flop,IMO,youre ahead almost always

dw2006 · #8 06-20-2007, 03:05 PM

Folding KK preflop anytime (except extraordinary bubble situations) in these low level sngs is very bad.

jetlag99 · #9 06-20-2007, 03:07 PM

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Playing $6.50 or $12 turbos on Full Tilt, could you ever fold KK pf in the first round without a read?

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Never!

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Both times I opened in EP for ~3BB,

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Raise 5-6BB in the early stages. Too many caller.

deepextragully · #10 06-20-2007, 03:10 PM

I just don't fold KK preflop online. Ever.