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Old 06-20-2007, 07:55 PM
wallenborn wallenborn is offline
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Default PL25 - We don\'t chase gutshots, right?

This is early in the session, so no particular reads, i only think that villain is passive and limps too much. An hour later Pokertracker tells me he is 28/2/2 after 120 hands.

When he checkraises my cbet, my first instinct is to fold. But then i look at the board and his stack, and start wondering: should i shove here?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Villain ($9.70)
Hero ($24.90)
Button ($27.25)
SB ($4.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Villain calls $0.60.

Flop: ($1.80) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises to $7</font>, Hero?
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: PL25 - We don\'t chase gutshots, right?

ez fold wtf
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Old 06-20-2007, 08:03 PM
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Default Re: PL25 - We don\'t chase gutshots, right?

Shove is huge -EV. Calling is a waste of money even though you could be ahead (highly improbable) because you can't continue past the flop unless you spike a seven or eight.
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Old 06-20-2007, 08:20 PM
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Default Re: PL25 - We don\'t chase gutshots, right?

Fold this all day long.
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:11 PM
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Default Re: PL25 - We don\'t chase gutshots, right?

You guys are probably right, but is it really that clear? If i shove, i have to pay $7.10 into a pot that will end up at $19.50. That means i have to find 36.4% equity. I i know he does that with an overpair and an overpair only, i have around 25%, so it's an obvious fold. If he does this with AK or so 15% of the time, i'm up to 31%, and uf he has AK 25% of the time, i'm at 38%, and th shove is actually marginally +EV. Now the guy limped preflop, and this is pot limit, where you should expect big hands to raise earlier than in NL, so do you really think he'll show up with a high pocket pair more often than 3 out of 4 times?
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:16 PM
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Default Re: PL25 - We don\'t chase gutshots, right?

I donīt know what the others are smoking, this is like the easiest push ever. In my experience shorties arenīt exactly nut-peddlars. Expect to be ahead of monsters like A4, Q7 etc.
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: PL25 - We don\'t chase gutshots, right?

lololol villain is short, NEVERMIND, push all day
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: PL25 - We don\'t chase gutshots, right?

Good fold unless he's a donk who raises to $7 with 77. That would make me laugh and feel good inside.
Just play sensibly against small stacks mate, the pressure is on them not you.
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:23 PM
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Default Re: PL25 - We don\'t chase gutshots, right?

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lololol villain is short, NEVERMIND, push all day

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