2 hands input?

[prolax13]

first hand, guy made a pot sized bet from behind the button, who was still left to act. this is what amde me push, i just thought it was more of a position play. heres the HH

Hand #42073926-32 at Thu12amA-019 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Started at 03/May/07 00:31:59

forreal69 is at seat 0 with 1655.
CRthe1st is at seat 1 with 650.
plough is at seat 2 with 530.
jacob_BU is at seat 3 with 1605.
s i v a r t is at seat 4 with 4755.
Fish991 is at seat 5 with 1325.
getchya1 is at seat 6 with 815.
iRunBad4Life is at seat 7 with 3155.
GoHokees is at seat 8 with 3260.
ohbeewon is at seat 9 with 1750.
The button is at seat 5.

getchya1 posts the small blind of 15.
iRunBad4Life posts the big blind of 30.

forreal69: -- --
CRthe1st: -- --
plough: -- --
jacob_BU: -- --
s i v a r t: -- --
Fish991: -- --
getchya1: -- --
iRunBad4Life: Kc 7d
GoHokees: -- --
ohbeewon: -- --

Pre-flop:

GoHokees folds. ohbeewon raises to 60. forreal69
folds. CRthe1st folds. plough folds. jacob_BU
folds. s i v a r t folds. Fish991 calls. getchya1
calls. iRunBad4Life calls.

Flop (board: Kd Jc Qd):

getchya1 checks. iRunBad4Life checks. ohbeewon bets
240. Fish991 folds. getchya1 folds. iRunBad4Life
goes all-in for 3095. ohbeewon goes all-in for 1690.
iRunBad4Life is returned 1405 (uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

iRunBad4Life shows Kc 7d.
ohbeewon shows Ad Qc.


Turn (board: Kd Jc Qd As):

(no action in this round)


River (board: Kd Jc Qd As 6s):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

iRunBad4Life has Kc Kd Jc Qd As: a pair of kings.
ohbeewon has Ad Qc Kd Qd As: two pair, aces and queens.


Hand #42073926-32 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
ohbeewon wins 3620 with two pair, aces and queens.
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Should I fold on the river here? I mean it wasn't the best looking board, and I didn't put him calling any bet, the initial one he called, and my reraise, with a damn gutshot. Here's the HH

Hand #42073926-35 at Thu12amA-019 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Started at 03/May/07 00:33:51

forreal69 is at seat 0 with 1655.
CRthe1st is at seat 1 with 650.
plough is at seat 2 with 575.
jacob_BU is at seat 3 with 1605.
s i v a r t is at seat 4 with 4755.
Fish991 is at seat 5 with 1265.
getchya1 is at seat 6 with 800.
iRunBad4Life is at seat 7 with 1390.
GoHokees is at seat 8 with 3215.
ohbeewon is at seat 9 with 3590.
The button is at seat 8.

ohbeewon posts the small blind of 15.
forreal69 posts the big blind of 30.

forreal69: -- --
CRthe1st: -- --
plough: -- --
jacob_BU: -- --
s i v a r t: -- --
Fish991: -- --
getchya1: -- --
iRunBad4Life: Ac 7c
GoHokees: -- --
ohbeewon: -- --

Pre-flop:

CRthe1st folds. plough calls. jacob_BU folds. s i
v a r t folds. Fish991 folds. getchya1 folds.
iRunBad4Life calls. GoHokees folds. ohbeewon folds.
forreal69 checks.

Flop (board: 7h Js 8s):

forreal69 checks. plough checks. iRunBad4Life
checks.

Turn (board: 7h Js 8s Ah):

forreal69 bets 85. plough calls. iRunBad4Life
raises to 185. forreal69 folds. plough calls.

River (board: 7h Js 8s Ah Kc):

plough goes all-in for 360. iRunBad4Life calls.

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

plough shows Qh Td.
iRunBad4Life shows Ac 7c.




Showdown:

plough has Qh Td Js Ah Kc: straight, ace high.
iRunBad4Life has Ac 7c 7h Ah Kc: two pair, aces and sevens.


Hand #42073926-35 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
plough wins 1280 with straight, ace high.

He certainly wasn't getting 8:1 on his call and with his stack at 315 afterwards , implied odds are basically nonexistent as his stakc didnt match the pot. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

input? harder raise on the turn?

[b-komplex]

hand 1 - fold preflop, even when you hit your king you are likely to be dominated. If I misclicked there and called, I would bet/fold the flop cause if anyone's not scared to death of calling a bet on that board you are probably crushed. the push is awful.

hand 2 - Raise more on the turn for sure two pair isn't that strong there make it 350 or so. hell no you're not folding the river. also he had a double gutter so he had 8 clean outs and you pretty much gave him the odds to call you.

hope this helps [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]