1/2 6 max: River Value Bet, or Not?

El_Hombre_Grande · #1 08-16-2007, 08:22 AM

Very little stats on bad guy; has limped a lot in the few laps I've played with him. No reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP (Villian) ($275.05)
Hero ($105)
Button ($150.90)
SB ($205.35)
BB ($272.15)
UTG ($194)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP (Villian) calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, BB calls $6, MP (Villian) calls $6.

Flop: ($25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Villian checks, Hero bets $16, BB folds, Villian calls $16.

Turn: ($57) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villian checks, Hero bets $48, Villian calls $48.

River: ($153) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villian checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $153

Do I value bet the River after his check?

Michaelson · #2 08-16-2007, 08:34 AM

Why do you only have 50bbs?

I check the turn then bet the river.

As played, you don't need to put the rest of your chips in here. What pays you, an 8? I can't see a pair lower than yours getting past the turn. So basically you'd be hoping villain has KsXs, because otherwise it's an ace that beats you or a busted flush draw that doesn't pay you almost always....

Kimpan · #3 08-16-2007, 08:41 AM

bet more on the flop and check behind turn, you want to get to showdown cheap.

El_Hombre_Grande · #4 08-16-2007, 08:48 AM

I only have 50bbs b/c I'm messing around with some ideas from Professional NLH V1.

My thinking was just the opposite: the flush draw must pay on the turn before he busts. I realize the turn is aggro, but I was hoping to fold a weak A, or get a overpriced call from a flush draw.

On the river, when he checks, I'm wondering what could call that I have beat?

thanks.

El_Hombre_Grande · #5 08-16-2007, 08:50 AM

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bet more on the flop and check behind turn, you want to get to showdown cheap.

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This is what I'm thinking might be the correct answer.

ay cabron · #6 08-16-2007, 08:52 AM

unless theres a crazy metagame going on, nothing that you beat calls a river bet (maybe a KsX, but i dont think so)

SSES · #7 08-16-2007, 08:56 AM

check behind on the river

as played i probly shove

El_Hombre_Grande · #8 08-16-2007, 08:56 AM

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unless theres a crazy metagame going on, nothing that you beat calls a river bet (maybe a KsX, but i dont think so)

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No, there is no crazy metagame. There may have been a crazy turn spew bet and a crazy turn spew call, but no history.

Thanks. I was just left with the impression that checking behind was weak when I didn't believe he had an A, but betting it appears gives him the opportunity to ckraise if he has the monster (unlikely) but even more unlikely, maybe, that he holds anything to call with IF I'm not beat.

SSES · #9 08-16-2007, 08:57 AM

sry check behind on the turn

as played i probly shove the river

El_Hombre_Grande · #10 08-16-2007, 08:58 AM

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sry check behind on the turn

as played i probly shove the river

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Can you articulate why?