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Old 04-26-2006, 01:00 PM
mason55 mason55 is offline
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

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You should be raising hands like ATo and KJo from there...

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Are you intentionally giving bad advice?
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

I don't like KJo UTG either. ATo I usually raise but it's fairly marginal, I might fold it if I've raised alot previously.
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

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You should be raising hands like ATo and KJo from there...

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Are you intentionally giving bad advice?

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how is this bad advice?
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

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You should be raising hands like ATo and KJo from there...

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Are you intentionally giving bad advice?

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how is this bad advice?

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maybe i'm too tight UTG but i hate playing those two hands out of position. i dunno, tehre was a whole thread on this that AJFenix started a month or so ago and mos tpeople were in agreement .

i guess bad advice was harsh, i apologize to tao. but i wouldn't say that ATo and KJo are the hands you WANT to be raising utg, more like they CAN be raised.
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again too harsh, sorry, tired and grumpy today
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

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Seriously don't raise UTG with 78s! You should be raising hands like ATo and KJo from there...

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I fold ATo and KJo UTG in 6max...Raise with TT or better. Of course my VP is 15.8
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

My PFR is 20 %.

That includes raising 87s under the gun.

I make lots of $$.

Maybe the act of raising 87s under teh gun isn't profitable (but maybe it is!), however, the act of making my table image really loose, when the truth is i am just a loose raiser preflop, which tricks my opponents into overplaying their hands against me which ships me mad $$, that's profitable.
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:30 PM
AJFenix AJFenix is offline
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

Heres that UTG raising ranges thread.

Also, KJo UTG is pretty disgusting.
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

My PFR is 16-17 and I fold suited connectors on UTG, UTG+1 about 80% of the time. Of course you have to raise with them occasionally so it's clear you aren't just raising with pairs, AJ+, etc., but with these hands, you are looking to flop a good draw and playing them out of position sucks. You are paying the maximum to draw to your (now somewhat transparent) straight or flush, and it will be difficult to extract money if you hit. Raising small pairs from UTG is completely different. They are very easy to play postflop and if you just flop a pair of twos with your 22 and someone calls your c-bet, your'e usually done.
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Old 04-26-2006, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

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You should be raising hands like ATo and KJo from there...

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Are you intentionally giving bad advice?

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Hmmmmm... Mason you seem like a somewhat intelligent kid so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your hastey and ill-contrived conclusion of what I said was simply a product of your playing 6 tables and not being able to actually read my entire message, for if not, then you are going to have one [censored] of a time trying to move up in stakes if you can't intuitively smell out [censored] as blatant as my opening sentence was...

With that said, different tables/conditions/opponents make some whole cards more valuable than others. Starting card values are relative, not absolute. There are some tables where you are probably wise to be raising gapped offsuit broadway junk UTG and others where 45s is more intrinsicaly valuable than JJ...
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Old 04-26-2006, 02:16 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: Why is raising UTG with suited connectors so standard at 6-max?

i dont mind raising ATC from any position in a deep stacked game. But most online games are not deep stacked and therefore it is impossible to recoup postflop what you give up preflop by playing inferior cards OOP.
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