I Play Weak-Tight

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I think I fold here, but I play weak-tight too. The problem with this spot is that we are in a really bad RIO situation, where it's going to be hard to get paid off very well if we have the best hand now, but when we are behind we could get whipsawed the whole way through. If one of these goobers has a set then we are drawing nearly dead, but we've got 5 fake outs that'll force us to show down. Even if MP3 just have 2 pair now, it'll be hard to get value when we draw out on him because there aren't any turn cards that'll make us love our hand.

PF seems pretty standard against a LAG.

[Howard Beale]

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Casino AZ 20/40 game that I have been crushing. I am up almost 4 racks in under 3 hours, and a few at the table are doing everything they can to stay out of my way, while others are simply oblivious. UTG is fairly loose and aggressive, but can find folds once in awhile if he thinks he is beat. MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them. BB is scared of me, which is the only reason he folds preflop.

UTG raises, I three bet AQo in UTG+1, MP1 tries to call 2 bets, I point out it is three, and he calls even though action hasn't passed him. Two other people come along, and both blinds fold, and UTG calls.

Flop comes AK5 rainbow, UTG checks, I bet, MP1 raises, two folds, UTG threeballs, and I...

Also, am I being too agressive at a 9 handed table with AQo in UTG+1?

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I think maybe you're going to have to start taking your current image into account when making this type of decision. If UTG is a steady regular who knows that you're beating the game to death over the last couple of months and he is not the 'I've got to try and get revenge' type this is a likely fold. The CAZ game is not LA or LV. The player pool is smaller w/ fewer tourists. What I'm trying to say (doesn't look pretty so far) is that this decision is player dependant, imo, not a technical matter.

If we are all there together point out who UTG is and I can give you a better answer.

btw: How do you get the monies home? Brinks? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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The UTG was the same guy that was between us while you were still at the table. But this hand happened after you moved to the main game, so you weren't the BB that was scared of me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. If you need further clarification, you spilled his rock star and he bummed a smoke off of you.

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I think I cap against that guy. He's likely not holding KK, just an Ace and probably weaker than yours. That watch he was wearing costs more than my car so I don't think the money means much to him. Plus, he's a 40 regular and is just passing time in the 20. I think for him this is just fun. Raise his turn bet on most cards. If he 3-bets that one you're no good. Still, that money is just on loan. Nice guy, though. And I got the replacement Rock Star for just the tip. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[swope]

im calling down, unless this turns into a reraise war.

[Maliant]

I don't think you can call i dont think he is limp/3-betting AJ or even AQ he obviously has huge hand otherwise he just would have donked flop. Considering his most likely holding here is AK I'd fold.

[bernie]

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MP1 is loose as hell and can never find a fold in him. The other cold callers are loose passive idiots who love two cards that have the same shape on them.

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If the guys behind you are that loose, I might not be seeing the flop with AQo here.
The chance you're limiting the field here is small, imo.

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Passing up the opportunity to iso a LAG with AQ is flushing money down the toilet.

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Given the players behind you, you're not Iso'ing a LAG. Ignoring that bit of info can also be seen as flushing money.

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[gotthenuts06]

Wayyyy too agressive.

[BillD]

I had a similar situation in the pink (7.5/15) at the Trop a few weeks ago. I had JJ UTG against a 10 high flop. I had folded to a flop bet/raise several times in past hour and suspected my image was somewhat weak. I bet, fat drunk raised, late position reraised, the BB (a good player) check-capped, I just called. The turn was a blank, BB checked, I checked, and the other two players checked. River made a small straight possible. BB checked, I bet was was called by one other player. JJ was good.

On the other hand at my regular 4/8 home game where most of the players are somewhat tight, this is an insta-muck.

This is a hard decision. Top pair (Ax) will usually raise. Straight draws (QJ) will often bet or raise. UTG could have Ax and be trying to push you out or making a "free card" check raise. I suspect that you are no worse than second place, with a reasonable chance that you are best. In a tight game, this is an easy fold. But the game as you described is not tight. Your decision here is based entirely on how you read the game and the other players.

Do you smell that one of you opponents have two pair or set? Think at several levels. What do you think they have? What do they think that you have? How often do they try to muscle people of the pot? Do you usually showdown winners? Do they usually showdown winners? Weigh the possibilies, consider the payoffs and risks. If you have a weak-tight image, opponents are more willing to take shots at you.

[ProfessorBen]

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Given the players behind you, you're not Iso'ing a LAG. Ignoring that bit of info can also be seen as flushing money.

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Then the raise is for value. There's no way that not 3-betting preflop is anything but +EV if you have any idea what you're doing postflop.

[lucid75]

Calling down is not terribly bad, I don't think. You probably sacrifice equity when you have the best hand against the MP, but you also save money when you don't. The UTG is supposedly a good player, so if you do have the best hand against him, you probably end up making him fold correctly on the turn/river if he does have AJ/AT, and not AK. If you do in fact raise, you probably are going to end up paying a whole bunch of bets to the MP if he has the best hand whom you are OOP against, also allowing the UTG to get away fairly pain free. The UTG calling out of position w/ AK preflop is not out of the question here, but so is him calling w/AJ, AT here. I think he takes the same line with all these hands.

[Maliant]

Folding is best I dont think he is taking this line w/ a10-aj.