Folding Queens preflop???

[skiier04]

4.5BB shover just got 3 outered in a monster pot so is clearly tilted, SB is a solid aggressive player who is neither excessivly loose nor tight preflop.

This is a pretty insane overbet but he will have to go to showdown against the shorty so I will be seeing his hand either way.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $248.55
BB: $155.25
UTG: $4.50
CO: $191.50
Hero (BTN): $161.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $4.50</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $15.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $248.55</font>, 2 folds
Uncalled bet of $233.55 returned to SB

Flop: ($35.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Turn: ($35.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($35.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $35.50 ($1.75 Rake)

[Bantam222]

fold...160BB deap makes it easier

[hightiger]

You can not call this. AI's preflop in cash games have a way of turning up as aces, or at least kings. His play is weird, but you can't get carried away.

[hightiger]

Results?

[skiier04]

I will post results when I wake up tomorrow... I folded this pretty quickly but sitll think it was one of my toughest spots of the night and warrants discussion.


One of the reasons that made me think is he is smart enough to realize I could be isolating the shortstack with a very wide range... maybe something like A2+ K9+ and 66+, but still, a bet that large I just didn't think it was worth it with queens, even with JJ in his hand range I still can't call.

[Vinetou]

In cash game, isolating that small shortstack has not so much value, I believe. Why are you doing it with such a big range?

[aislephive]

Pretty easy fold if he isn't retarded.

[Vinetou]

Easy fold.

[paulnic]

at best u are a coin flip against ak. more than likely u are well behind, has to be a fold.

[reef2287]

why is this an easy fold again? why dose he not play kings or aces with a reraise on top, instead of a push? as played i guess i fold but i hit time and look into my crystal ball for advice. . . if hes tilted i almost want to call and see him flip jj or 10-10 or ak, but theres nothing wrong with a fold