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Old 06-20-2007, 04:16 PM
Acevader Acevader is offline
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Default TPTK, common turn situation

Don't know much about villain but so far he hasn't been out of line with me. Fairly aggro so far preflop.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $731.20
BB: $1,420.65
Hero (UTG): $974.65
CO: $266.50
BTN: $743.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $21.00</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $18.00, BB folds

Flop: ($48) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $36.00</font>, SB calls $36.00

Turn: ($120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks

What is the standard play for hero here?
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, common turn situation

Ugh, worst turn card ever.
I check, might call a small river lead, value bet if checked too.
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, common turn situation

Well, the two most likely draws got there. Does this player check after he hits a draw? And if you check behind on the turn here will he put out a really big bet on the river because of your show of weakness?
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:48 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, common turn situation

pitch it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, common turn situation

Don't have that info ajloeffl and yeah, it's about as ugly as a turn gets!!
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:53 PM
Teh1337zor Teh1337zor is offline
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Default Re: TPTK, common turn situation

check and call anything 80 or under on safe riv?
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, common turn situation

Cool, most people seem to agree to a check.

Hero checked

River 10

Villain check

Hero check

Villain wins showdown with J10

I was a little gutted but reminded myself that whilst I allowed his actual hand in for free his entire range was all over me by the turn and further betting was likely -EV
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, common turn situation

Put yourself in the villains shoes for a second. Are you going to value bet the river on this scarey a board on the river with something like KQ? You wouldnt get called by many worse hands so your bet would probably be pretty small (like half pot or less).

If the villain puts out a bet bigger than half pot on the river it is unlikely a bluff since all reasonable flop draws got there. So he would be betting for value and be aware you may have checked tptk on the turn to keep the pot small so he probably has you beaten.

Another possibility is that he was floating with nothing OOP and after seeing your turn check may put some pressure on the river as a bluff. But how many people do that move often and on flop that could have easily hit the PF raiser? If I'm going to try a move like that it will be on a ragged board.
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, common turn situation

nasty turn, check turn....and call small river bet if no scare card comes.
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, common turn situation

Looking at your flop bet closer it should have been slightly bigger (like $40-45).

Your turn check and river check were fine.

Sometimes though, in position on a scary turn like this I'll put out a half pot bet (hey maybe this hit my hand) and shut down on the river (check if checked to and fold if bet at).
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