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Old 05-29-2007, 08:16 PM
fishyak fishyak is offline
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Commerce 4/8 game Monday with no less than 4 total lagtards. It would hit a personal best of 5 lagtards a little later. The Villian in this hand is a new lagtard, 40ish Asian lady with fewer than two orbits, but she has already shown a willingness to bang away with 3 bets and caps.

Hero is UTG+1 with KQo. Time to raise. 4 cold calls including Villian in CO. Flop is QQx! I bet out, 2 folds, Villian raises, folds back to me, now h/u. I just call. Turn is a blank. I bet out, Villian raises, I call. River blank. I check/call the river.

In hindsight I feel that I should 3 bet the flop even without much of a read on this player. IMO, the most likely hands to put me on would be AA or KK. I put that to the test by betting out again on the turn and getting raised again. OK, she has a Q, but does she have a house?

I think I got weak-tight here and should have 3 bet on either or both flop and turn. Had I 3 bet, I know that I would have had to bet out the river. No way a free card under any circumstances.

Did I leave some on the table or was my caution appropriate, particularly since I was OOP to the Villian?
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:40 PM
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Default Re: Settle a value bet discussion

the only reason to just call the flop is to c/r (or b/3b) the turn.

your play makes me want to give you a wedgie.
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Old 05-30-2007, 12:35 AM
NickPappagiorgio NickPappagiorgio is offline
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Default Re: Settle a value bet discussion

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your play makes me want to give you an atomic wedgie.

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Seriously, you need to put in more action here somewhere. Either 3 bet the flop, c/r the turn, or bet/3 bet the turn.

You're only losing to AQ or a boat. How many other Q's could villain have. Would villain 3 bet AQ preflop? Based on your description it sounds look she would.
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Old 05-30-2007, 12:57 AM
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your play makes me want to give you a wedgie.

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Old 05-30-2007, 01:38 AM
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your play makes me want to give you a wedgie.

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Old 05-30-2007, 05:49 AM
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Default Re: Settle a value bet discussion

omg pls b/3b the turn ftw
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Old 05-30-2007, 06:48 PM
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i say 3 bet the turn
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Old 05-31-2007, 12:24 AM
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Got to 3 bet the turn and if we get capped then we check/call the river. No offense to anyone but I defiantly take this route against an asian who shows a willingness to bet(gamble). Assumptions do make an ass out of you but with this one I'm going to be the ass.
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Old 05-31-2007, 05:34 AM
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I like the call on the flop. I like the bet on the turn. I hate the cold call, check, and call. You set her up on the flop by just calling so she will probably raise you on the turn with ATC. 3 bet and let her do her thing and repeat on river. The fact that the turn and river were blanks should make you feel like god. Extract value! This also says something to the table. They all think now that you are going to simply call down with a set and gives them reason to try and take you off of more hands.
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Old 05-31-2007, 08:08 AM
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your play makes me want to give you a wedgie.

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b/3b the turn.
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