Live Monte Carlo KK hand

[celticslegend]

I've been meaning to post this hand for a while but never got around to it. It is from the main event of EPT monte carlo.

It's the early in the first level so dont have a concrete read on the villain but by the way he handles his chips and the bit of chat he has made he does not seem like a very advanced or thinking player. I have been somewhat aggressive but nothing crazy and have not yet showed down a hand.

Blinds 25/50
Folds to me on the button I make it 175 with black KK, villain immediately raises to 675 out of the small blind, I decide to call.
Flop: qqj rainbow villain reaches for some chips then checks. I check behind.
Turn: 7, completes the rainbow. Villain bets 800 i call.
River: 7...

A) If villain checks are you value betting, if so how much?

B) If villain bets ~1600 call or fold?

[Chimp__greg]

A) Yes, ~1000. You'll likely get paid off here by a jack and occasionally 88-TT.

B) I'm pretty sure you have to call this since you have no read on him and he appears to be a donk, my guess is he has TT. Then again I don't play live much. I still think it's unlikely he hit a 7 because he re-raised pre, it's doubtful he had A7 there. He might have AQ but I still think you have to call here.

[celticslegend]

I really dont think a jack is a very big part of his range at all, In my estimatio he is not the type to raise AJ in the early stages and definetly not KJ. Keep in mind that this is an older gentlemen who is really not that likely to be getting very out of line preflop.
Postflop however I dont really know what to make of...

[locutus2002]

Bet less PF,
Bet the flop to keep ur range wide
Raise the turn to 2000 since u checked the flop.
Fold the river.

[dedor]

re raise with KK preflop. with aces you can sometime call to disguise your strength but with kings you don't know where you at when an ace flops. (if he has aces so be it)

I will certainly value bet if he checks. he wouldn't check the river if he had Q or 7 full. especially after your call on the turn.

now if he bets the river say 1600 it's a tough decision but I'll still make the call because there are too many hands you are beating.

[kniper]

Why bet less PF? This is early stages of tournament, make it 200 to go since blinds so small relative to stack.

I just don't see how villain has a J here much of the time, unless its JJ. I agree with locutus that the turn is a great spot to turn up the heat. If villain has TT or something, you probably aren't going to get much more out of him anyway, and it might enable you to get to showdown cheaply. Obv you fold to a raise, and fold to a sturdy river valuebet

[AK87]

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Bet less PF,
Bet the flop to keep ur range wide
Raise the turn to 2000 since u checked the flop.
Fold the river.

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No.

[Pudge714]

I think it's a pretty easy bet if checked to and a pretty easy call if he bets.

[celticslegend]

ok, i can probably see how some are saying its an easy bet if checked to. But I completely disagree about an easy call. You really think that a player like the one i described is gonna bet 1010 on the river to try to get value from smaller pairs? What hands do you guys expect him to be turning over if he bets the river that we beat, besides AK for a bluff?

[NoahSD]

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Bet less PF,
Bet the flop to keep ur range wide
Raise the turn to 2000 since u checked the flop.
Fold the river.

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I'd go 200 preflop
Flop check is good
Turn call is good
Call a river bet and value bet if checked to